Would you cross the border?

If you were born in Mexico and you had a family, would you illegally cross the border to give a better life for your family? I know I would. So therefore, I never criticize the hard working so called "illegal aliens" because I know if I were in their shoes I would do the very same thing. I've seen some posts here basically saying "but but they are breaking the law". Yeah well so what. When the law forces people to live in extremely undesirable condition, isn't it the law that's wrong and not the people?


I also noticed the majority here do not support giving higher education to anyone who came here illegally. Why? most of them are kids, and do you want the children to have their lives ruined because they committed the "crime" of crossing a border to live a better life with their parents? Do you want them to continue to be part of the permanent underclass?

That the individual could self determine a better life,
international pressures that kept the nation poor,
epidemic political corruption that spans the life time
of the nation -

I'm crossing the fuckin border and making a better life.

the big pond from Europe to find a better life. Reform is necessary, but treating people like less than dogs isn't. IMO.

Old post, but worth reading:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1087228

As you can see, there were no takers willing to play the game...

Been away for a while...what a great post!

Actually, I'm thinking about moving to Mexico.

A really good friend has a nice house there, and he's got an extra bedroom.

It's tempting. I may wind up there.

And it wouldn't absolve me of the civil charge of an immigration violation.

If I were hungry and broke, I might steal a loaf of bread. The fact that I was hungry doesn't make theft right. Mens rea and actus reus are present.

I grew up one step above abject poverty, in the country. That provided a few more opportunities to help ourselves (hunting and gardening), but it was hand to mouth for many many years. If I had to steal to survive I would, but I wouldn't then claim that I wasn't guilty because I was poor, hungry, and wearing my cousins' hand-me-downs.

Regarding secondary education. If the state provided that service to its residents the same way it did primary education, then I'd think it can't deny it for a resident alien, regardless of whether or not they're in conformity with immigration law. Plyer v Doe was the Texas case that was about a Texas law saying that illegal aliens were not allowed to attend public school or had to pay a fine. The law was ruled unconstitutional due in large part to the 14th amendment.

Where it gets tricky is government backed loans. The government already defines criteria for determining which applicants will receive the loans, ie, if you have been convicted of a drug offense, forget federally backed student loans. It's been a while since I was in college, but I do remember having to fill out an I-9 or some proof of residency from the federal government for a federal student loan. *eta: Not an I-9, that's employment, but I can't remember the document.

On the other hand, based on the precedent set by Plyer v Doe, discriminating based on immigration status would be tantamount to breaking the protection offered by the 14th amendment.

may be illegal but that has nothing to do with the ethics of the situation. You are conflating law with morality.

:eyes:

Ireland to England. England to Canada. Canada to the U.S.A to steal cleaning jobs from rich ladies.

You bet your ass I would.

I'd like to think I'd do the right thing...like staying in my own country and looking to improve conditions there. And not going to the US and demanding all sorts of rights that are reserved for REAL citizens.

At least you didn't insult "fat chicks" this time, so there's that.

And everyone should admire you for hitting a triple? Bullshit.

I simply don't see the logic in inviting folks from countries that have a lower living standard than ours to take up residency here after they have crossed our borders illegally.

If you were born to Mexico there is a reasonable likelihood your parents would not have enough money to educate you beyond the most rudimentary levels, and you will need to go to work as soon (usually as a child, begging if necessary or working in fields or dangerous jobs) as possible to help support your family. There is at least a 41% chance you grew up in either absolute or near absolute property.

Here are just a FEW of the things you likely DON'T have available to you in your own home or in much of your country; a vast and well-funded library system, a sewer line, Pell grants, running water, federally funded student loans, Small Business Loan Association, a telephone, a bus to catch, O.S.H.A., a stable bank to keep the money you don't have, electricity, mail service, an accessible court system, glass in all your windows to the outside ..............


How do you plan to go about doing "the right thing...like staying in my own country and looking to improve conditions there."


Answer this first.

and their children. They are not going away.

Your problem is that you refused to live in reality. Illegal or undocumented aliens or immigrants what ever name you use are here and going to school. They have an ambition and a drive that most of us don't have and we expect the "law" to keep us from having to compete with someone with more get up and go than we have. Well life isn't like that.

The rewards go to the risk takers and the ambitious, get over it or get ambitious the law isn't going to give you an advantage.

ahem! WE have had problems with illegal aliens
for about 700 years now.

If I knew how to do it,
I'd post the pic of 4 Warriors on Horseback,
with the tag:
"HOMELAND SECURITY..since 1492"

:)

I know I would.

i've lived in mexico and seen the poverty. it's wrenching.
coming here to work illegally would be only slightly better, but it would probably be worth it.

My motto: "If you're here you're from here."

Only the bravest, the most courageous, the most self-sacrificing, the most ambitious, and the most committed.

What is it, that part of white American mythology, what do they say about the pioneers? - "the cowards never started - and the weak died along the way."

the folks who claim that the "illegals" are taking shortcuts by crossing illegally have no fucking clue as to the hardships and difficulties that thse people endure placing their lives in the hands of coyotes, or spending countless days trudging through the desert. they couldn't walk two steps in the "illegals" shoes, much less a mile.

as to your question, i'd do it in a fucking minute if it helped my fam. anyone stating otherwise is a liar.

yep...in a heartbeat!

Can't say as I have found it yet, cause there's not a lot of difference culturally. I have had some actual nasty comments about being a Canuck from a couple of idiots, but over all the way I look at it, is I was born on PLANET EARTH. I should be able to roam wherever I damn well please. And I tell these types, that my Grandparents moved to Canada from the US back in the 30's so I'm just comin home. They don't call Canucks names like "wetback" because Canadians don't have to cross rivers or jump fences. We do however have to wade through miles of waste deep snow in blinding snowstorms, hence the moniker, "Snowback" :hi: :rofl:

I did.

The thing I've always wondered about; is why don't these people revolt? Why are they willing to risk their lives and families over here, but not in their own country? Are the people so held down that even rebellion isn't possible?

scratching to get their next meal or two DON'T HAVE TIME to even plan rebellions, much less the resources to carry them out.

Why should people risk their lives if there is another way out? I find this attitude very judgmental. And don't believe for a minute that the purveyor of this attitude would really just let themselves be killed to make that point.

I'm sure there is political opposition in Mexico, too.

European immigrants came here rather than "improve" their countries, too.

I would take my family and cross illegally into Canada. Tonight.

So, yeah, I get it.

is timing.

I don't see how anyone can say they wouldn't.