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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 10:10 PM
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The seeds sowed by Reagan are producing poisoned fruits. Only a taste of what is to come?
The efforts of Reagan to call regulation and Government the enemy and open the doors to the corporocrats and the greedy - brought to full bloom by BushCheney, are really showing....unsafe food, crumbling infrastructure, disregard for the environment, the horrendous oil spill raging in the Gulf....I was talking to my friend today about how the next 10-20 years could be a breathtaking ramping up of trouble everywhere. I know things have been bad at points of history in the past, but I just don't see a way out of the shit that we are heading for.....we don't seem, as a country, to have the social, intellectual or political will to reverse the damage that has been, and is being, done.....when will we (not just the DU-we, but in sufficient numbers) wake up and start truly turning things around, not just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic?

Obviously not feeling very hopeful tonight...sorry for the downer, but had to get it off my chest....the picture of zillions of dead fish in LA pushed me over the edge....
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 10:16 PM
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1. You forgot the seeds of destruction of working and middle class Americans.
I can't think of a single problem we face today that was not set in motion by Reaganism. It's time to ditch the Reagan policies and get back to policies that actually work.
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 10:19 PM
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2. Agreed - thanks for adding an incredibly relevant element to my depressing list.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 06:12 AM
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9. facilitated by the demonization & destruction of the unions. . n/t
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FBI_Un_Sub Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 09:12 AM
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14. A core Reaganite belief
goes back to PATCO.
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tilsammans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 10:56 PM
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3. If the disciples of Faux, Limpballs, Palin, Beck, Hannity, O'Lielly, and their ilk . . .
. . . pull their heads out of their asses and wake up to reality, then maybe there's a chance.

If not, FIWF (face it, we're fucked). :scared:

Meanwhile, we'll have to yell a lot louder. :rant:
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Liberal Gramma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 11:09 PM
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4. Saint Ronnie did a lot of damage to the country
and it's taken until now for Democrats to recognize the problem. Republicans still don't see it.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 06:05 AM
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7. Apparently all Democrats don't
recognize the problem.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 11:21 PM
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5. heh
Been fighting the good fight for 30 years.

About ready to give up. Have tried to quit before, but always found myself back in the mix. What really busts my chops is the fact that most of the people, while they may give a shit, don't do shit.

It is what has allowed reagan to, dare I say it? Yes I dare: He won.
Yep, reagan has won. His idiotology(sic) is the winner. His is the last man standing. I am not surprised. Disgusted, yes, but not surprised. It is what the people want.

Stolen elections leading to a scared and ill-equipped government, is now the soup du jour and lots of people are just lapping it up like dogs at a bowl.

I feel sorry for the young folks the most. My generation asked for it and now they've got it. Lap it up mofos. Get it before someone else does.!!

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 12:16 PM
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17. It wasn't "Reagan" who won.
Reagan was just a puppet.

It was the top 1% (The RICH Corporate Owners) who WON.
AND, they also BOUGHT the Democratic Party Leadership in the late 1980s.

We Reformed the Democratic Party
the Old Fashioned Way.

We BOUGHT it!
Hahahahahahahahahahaha





IF you want to assess how bad things really are, check out the current debate over the the
"Financial Reform Bill".
ONLY TWO Democratic Senators are holding out for stricter (real) "reform", while the rest of the Democratic Party is supporting Faux Reform in Name Only (like the HCR Bill)....ONLY TWO!

"“After thirty years of giving in to the wishes of Wall Street lobbyists, Congress needs to finally enact tough reforms to prevent Wall Street from driving our economy into the ditch again. We need to eliminate the risk posed to our economy by ‘too big to fail’ financial firms and to reinstate the protective firewalls between Main Street banks and Wall Street firms. Unfortunately, these key reforms are not included in the bill. The test for this legislation is a simple one - whether it will prevent another financial crisis. As the bill stands, it fails that test. Ending debate on the bill is finishing before the job is done.”

In 1999, Senator Feingold was one of eight senators to vote against legislation tearing down the firewall between Main Street banks and Wall Street investment banks and insurance companies. In 2008, Feingold opposed the Wall Street bailout in part because it failed “to reform the flawed regulatory structure that permitted this crisis to arise in the first place.”---Senator Russ Feingold


Even Chuck Todd whose committee designed this "reform" bill admits that it will NOT prevent another meltdown and taxpayer "bailout", and yet the Democratic Party Leadership is still PUSHING this Faux Reform.


From 2002, Bill Moyers Commentary
"The vast inequality of this new Gilded Age didn't just happen.

Nature didn't ordain it, the market didn't require it, and Adam Smith's invisible hand doesn't sustain it.

What happened is the rich declared class war and spent what it took to win.

Not exactly a new story, of course, but the extraordinary new concentration of wealth and power created a juggernaut that makes it harder and harder for democracy to work for all.

The rich buy the laws and loopholes they want from Congress, and from the White House, they buy executive protection of their privileges.

So government winds up promoting the extremes instead of moderating them.

Look at the bill the House of Representatives recently passed to reform accounting and financial disclosure in the wake of Enron.

Despite everything we learned about the gang from Houston, the bill does not close the revolving door between accountants and their clients, nor will it prohibit accounting firms from making millions by selling consulting services to the same companies they audit.

Critics now call it the "Ken Lay Protection Act." And what happened the other day when the Senate voted on regulating energy derivatives, those mischievous devices Enron used to manipulate prices and gouge customers?

Why, Senator Phil Gramm of Texas, that old and faithful friend of Enron, managed to scuttle it.

Then there's the new farm bill that will give more than $50 billion in new subsidies to the richest and largest farms in America.

And the new energy bill that takes your tax dollars and transfers them to the richest energy companies in the country.

Remember our recent story about how Enron used stock options to avoid paying taxes in four out of the last five years?

Well, even as we talk, the White House and business lobbies, with Democratic Senator Joe Lieberman as their point man, are working to block reform of stock options.

Yes, the rich declared class war and won.

All that's left is for politics to divide up the spoils."

http://www.pbs.org/now/commentary/moyers7.html

The above is from 2002, with a Republican President and Republican Congress.
Compare it to Feingold's statement, and ask yourself ,"How much has really changed with a Democratic President and Democratic Congress.

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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 11:37 PM
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6. What year was "A People's History of the United States" published?
Oh yeah...

That election was such a... tragedy?

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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 06:09 AM
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8. Even G H W Bush called it 'Voodoo economics'.
And Saint Ronnie ramped up the attack on organized labor.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 10:18 AM
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16. And Reagan's OMB director David Stockman resigned in protest
Edited on Thu May-20-10 10:19 AM by Art_from_Ark
when he realized the full extent of voodoo economics. Reagan was a terrible president. The only money his face should be on is the 3-dollar bill.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 06:21 AM
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10. Pssst...Bush Sr. and Cheney were running that show, too.
They never told that senile old fool Reagan half of what they and the CIA were doing.
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 06:42 AM
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11. +1
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 06:51 AM
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12. +2. Let's not forget his other side-pigs Donald Regan and William Casey.
Edited on Thu May-20-10 06:52 AM by HughBeaumont
Who better to oversee the treasury but a crooked ex-Merrill-Lynch bastard?

Casey was responsible for ramping up Cold War fears to the point that America was urinating in it's collective pants by 1984.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 02:20 PM
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18. "Side pigs", lol. nt
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 07:38 AM
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13. I notice that we seem to have returned to the Reagan era,
Edited on Thu May-20-10 07:39 AM by LWolf
with way too many people embracing it. Might be because the nation elected a fan of Reagan, a "new" dem, to run the place. :(
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 09:33 AM
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15. Precisely. The Reagan Democrats 'came home.'
Problem is, they brought Reagan's policies with them.
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