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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:04 AM Original message |
The points I make to those that don't oppose the AZ law |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
1. You hail from New Jersey - you have no idea what it's like to live along a border state. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:13 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. I am sorry to hear you don't support the liberal side or opposition to the AZ law |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:14 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Being FOR the AZ law is just sick. And since you're from Virginia, I suggest you not talk about it. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:19 AM Response to Reply #7 |
15. No it's not: I spent six years of my youth in Arizona and I KNOW what goes on there. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:23 AM Response to Reply #15 |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:25 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. He hasn't said. And if you have read my posts, I'm a Dennis Kucinich liberal NOT a teabagger. eom |
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icee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:44 AM Response to Reply #22 |
57. You sound like a name-caller. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:55 AM Response to Reply #15 |
71. I live in a border state and I think you are completely wrong |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 12:23 PM Response to Reply #71 |
90. No, thanks to the corporate politicians we'll be one big nation of USA & Mexico ... |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 12:52 PM Response to Reply #90 |
98. And your solution for this is to harass and lock up Latinos... |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:15 PM Response to Reply #98 |
112. Apparently so. On Democratic Underground, no less. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #98 |
114. Uh, no. Read down thread and realize that I'm a basically compassionate person? eom |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #114 |
136. Except for brown folk who may or may not be walking the streets of Phoenix |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:27 PM Response to Reply #136 |
177. You need to sharpen you reading skills. My skin is olive tone and I'm often mistaken |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:35 PM Response to Reply #177 |
181. Yeah? Name one. nt |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #114 |
203. I'm sure you are - but do you know what the bill really does? |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #98 |
131. Yeah--interesting how some on DU are so fond of the rhetoric of John McCain and JD Hayworth. nt |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #131 |
161. Quite. nt |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:00 PM Response to Reply #131 |
193. Well, this Arizonan is NOT one of 'em. 1070 is unadulterated racism. |
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Mike K (539 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:44 PM Response to Reply #98 |
207. The Arizona initiative is directed at illegal immigrants, |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 06:08 PM Response to Reply #207 |
211. Um - the directive is to look for 'reasonable suspicion' |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #90 |
110. Don't look now but we're already a massive underclass... |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:15 PM Response to Reply #110 |
113. I agree. nt |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #15 |
117. Opening the border would get rid of those problems, too. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:22 PM Response to Reply #117 |
172. Yes, we can liquidate the Homeland Security Department OR send killer drones to monitor the borders? |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:45 PM Response to Reply #15 |
130. I've spent my whole life here (40+ years) and there's no problem. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #130 |
215. There is no threat |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #15 |
134. How do you suggest the Mexico/U.S. border |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #134 |
216. Open it up, legalize all drugs, work on standardizing health care |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #15 |
146. Tighter border controls are why the gangs are fighting for control now |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:24 PM Response to Reply #146 |
175. Then drain the swamp by decriminalizing the drugs? It's all a racket anyway. eom |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #146 |
217. +1000 |
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Syntheto (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:53 PM Response to Reply #15 |
209. Congratulations.... |
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KingFlorez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:16 AM Response to Reply #1 |
12. Discriminatory laws are unconstitutional |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:22 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. It's not against the Constitution. Checking someone's license is NOT unconstitutional. |
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KingFlorez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:30 AM Response to Reply #18 |
35. Stopping someone just based on race isn't legal or sensible |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:37 AM Response to Reply #35 |
43. That's a lie. People are not being stopped BY LAW based on race. eom |
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KingFlorez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:42 AM Response to Reply #43 |
52. Believe whatever you like |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #43 |
120. True. I heard it was on the basis of what kind of shoes they are wearing. nt |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #43 |
140. Do explain why some LEOs are flat out refusing to ask for proof of uimmifgration |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:47 AM Response to Reply #18 |
61. Yes, an illegal crossing, of course, is against the law. |
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Juneboarder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #18 |
95. Racial Profiling is unconstitutional. |
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DatManFromNawlins (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 12:55 PM Response to Reply #95 |
101. That law specifically forbids racial profiling |
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Juneboarder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:06 PM Response to Reply #101 |
106. LOL; which law would you be referring to? |
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DatManFromNawlins (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #106 |
132. It's obvious that you never read the statutes |
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Juneboarder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #132 |
155. Rather than trying to find flaws in me peronsally, |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:22 AM Response to Reply #12 |
20. Would you support the AZ law without the single line that says "reason to believe?" |
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KingFlorez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:32 AM Response to Reply #20 |
40. Yada, yada, yada |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:38 AM Response to Reply #40 |
44. AZ has already had a stop and identify statute on the books. |
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KingFlorez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:40 AM Response to Reply #44 |
50. I don't support illegal immigration |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:44 AM Response to Reply #50 |
56. They could ALREADY stop anyone they thought was illegal. |
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KingFlorez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:51 AM Response to Reply #56 |
64. How does one know who is an illegal immigrant just by looking? |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:59 AM Response to Reply #64 |
75. That's the stupid part of the law - and it was never needed. |
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KingFlorez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 12:06 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. Prop. 187 cost the Republicans a lot in California |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 12:13 PM Response to Reply #79 |
85. Nobody wants to be pulled over, period. |
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Juneboarder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 12:51 PM Response to Reply #85 |
97. Pulled over |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #97 |
149. walking into a battered women's shelter |
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sailor65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:44 AM Response to Reply #44 |
55. +1 for one of the very few DUers |
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drmeow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:01 PM Response to Reply #44 |
104. Wrong - they can be detained |
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icee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:40 AM Response to Reply #20 |
49. You may as well stop arguing. Some of these folks will not be |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #49 |
143. So who will not be happy until the illegals have taken over the entire state |
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icee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:42 AM Response to Reply #143 |
218. Yes, I know. I will settle for huge fines against employers who |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:42 AM Response to Reply #20 |
53. +1 |
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Flaneur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:39 PM Response to Reply #53 |
127. When did DU morph into Free Republic? |
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drmeow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 12:58 PM Response to Reply #20 |
103. As someone who opposes the law |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #103 |
144. I've asked people who support the law to define "reason to believe" many times. |
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drmeow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 12:53 PM Response to Reply #144 |
214. A funny irony |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:34 PM Response to Reply #12 |
124. Deleted message |
icee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:19 AM Response to Reply #1 |
16. I am not opposed to the Arizona law. As the Federal Government |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:22 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Illegal immigration is quite easy to stop. Just punish those that exploit the illegals |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:23 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. and... |
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Flaneur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:42 PM Response to Reply #23 |
128. Do you really want to deport 12 million people? |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:24 AM Response to Reply #19 |
25. How about punish the EMPLOYERS? But our corporate owned government won't do that. eom |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:56 PM Response to Reply #25 |
142. Does that include |
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icee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:32 AM Response to Reply #19 |
39. Yes, I know. But when will that start? Certainly, it appears, not under |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:38 AM Response to Reply #39 |
45. Funny thing about AZ, there are few natives. Most people living there were born some where else |
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icee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:42 AM Response to Reply #45 |
54. As long as they are legal, it's okay--that is the law. If the are illegal, |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #54 |
145. And a couple of days after they get back home, they |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:41 AM Response to Reply #39 |
51. Big Business wants a slave class to exploit ... |
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icee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #51 |
58. Yeah, I know....came down to people power. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #51 |
62. And these CORPORATE politicians are getting good hearted people to buy-into their |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:48 PM Response to Reply #62 |
185. It's not humane to make me carry "papers" just to hang out in Phoenix |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:51 AM Response to Reply #19 |
65. Makes me wonder why... |
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KingFlorez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:54 AM Response to Reply #65 |
69. They don't want to cut off that cheap labor |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 12:08 PM Response to Reply #65 |
81. That, to me, is the heart of the matter |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #65 |
148. this is gonna have an interesting blowback--one of the main industries here that |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:23 AM Response to Reply #1 |
24. You don't live here..... |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:06 PM Response to Reply #24 |
154. B-b-but, DR, she lived here for SIX years! I've lived here my whole life, |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #154 |
189. Heh heh...yeah, what do you know.... |
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jtuck004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:29 AM Response to Reply #1 |
32. Why are they afraid of "them"? The immigrants I have known tend |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:30 AM Response to Reply #1 |
34. I never thought I'd see the day where I disagreed with you |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:39 AM Response to Reply #1 |
46. It is irrelevant whether you and or the majority of Americans support |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:50 AM Response to Reply #1 |
63. Do you realize just how many immigrants NJ has? Quite a few |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:52 AM Response to Reply #1 |
66. I bet most of the authentic Arizonans oppose the law. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #66 |
157. Anglo, lived here 40 years, attended school with the children of border crossers--and |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 12:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
83. And yet Texas and New Mexico, also border states, don't have your "problems" |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #83 |
159. Odd, isn't it? And why does this lifelong Arizonan not see these problems? |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
118. Oh! YOU Support This Horrible Law??? ROFL!! Well, That Says It All, And Is Frankly Unsurprising |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:12 PM Response to Reply #118 |
160. LOLing--something I didn't think I could manage in this thread. |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
135. I live in a border state, am frequently asked to declare my citizenship |
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tranche (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
162. Methinks you hate the color brown. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
184. Thanks Rand Paul |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:27 PM Original message |
I used to live in Las Cruces, NM and I think you're full of crap. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 06:01 PM Response to Reply #1 |
210. . |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
2. It's the same trap we fell into with health care. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:14 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. The gangs from Mexico come across the border and set up camp. |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:15 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. How do you know? You're from Virginia, and as you said above |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:20 AM Response to Reply #10 |
17. I lived in Arizona for six years and I go back to visit family twice a year. eom |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:15 PM Response to Reply #17 |
163. I guess I, a lifelong Arizonan, who still resides here and sees none of the problems you speak of |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:19 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. I just checked the crime rates of Detroit (far from the border) and Phoenix |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:30 AM Response to Reply #14 |
36. Human smuggling makes Phoenix kidnapping capital of U.S. |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #14 |
158. must be those Canadians sneaking across into Detroit ;-) n/t |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:54 AM Response to Reply #8 |
70. I live in SoCal and I call bullshit on your statement. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #70 |
86. No, you're siding with the corporate politicians. We are being over-run and will |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #86 |
165. While you side with John McCain and JD Hayworth and Jan Brewer. |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 12:52 PM Response to Reply #86 |
213. ... |
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Flaneur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:48 PM Response to Reply #8 |
133. Utter horseshit. Crime is low on the US side of the border. |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #8 |
152. Actually, it's Mexico City |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
3. Excellent OP, NJM. It's much harder to be for the AZ law if a human face is |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:23 AM Response to Reply #3 |
21. Then force our Government to do their damn jobs and secure the southern border ... |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:34 AM Response to Reply #21 |
41. Border 'Mayhem'? An Illegal Immigration Fact Check Shows Violence Declining |
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Caliman73 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #41 |
119. Don't go getting all facty figury on us |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:47 AM Response to Reply #21 |
59. To suggest that this law is an answer to what you believe is incompetence |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 12:01 PM Response to Reply #59 |
77. It is Constitutional and I don't believe the M$M. The borders are still OPEN. eom |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 12:07 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Please state your source for why this is Constitutional and what |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:12 PM Response to Reply #77 |
109. Forget the M$M, is there ANY media (left wing, right wing, independent, etc) that contends |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #77 |
166. No, you believe John McCain, JD Hayworth, and Jan Brewer. nt |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
4. Separating the two isn't working. |
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mimitabby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
6. you're probably not going to get very far, the unrec's are coming |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:14 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Which is truly sad as this is supposed to be a liberal website and compassion one of the bedrocks |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:25 AM Response to Reply #9 |
27. Compassion ends when our nation is overrun |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:26 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. And the MOST humane way to do that is to SECURE THE BORDER. eom |
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Caliman73 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:20 PM Response to Reply #28 |
115. Actually |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #115 |
121. Since the Mexican Government is going to remain a coven of rich thugs, what do you suggest? |
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Caliman73 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #121 |
139. You're right.. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #139 |
156. Oh come on? We didn't do this, our government did and it's still corrupt that way. |
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Caliman73 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #156 |
182. So since WE have no power to correct OUR government |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #182 |
188. If the massive influx of undocumented workers wash out our middle class, we will have NO POWER. |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:37 PM Response to Reply #121 |
202. And how is different from our own group in D.C. ? |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:06 PM Response to Reply #28 |
153. Please tell us how we are going to secure the border? |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:21 PM Response to Reply #153 |
169. Those fences that Israel has constructed are quite impassable. eom |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:27 PM Response to Reply #169 |
176. LOL |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #176 |
178. Yes, cement walls will last and can be easily repaired. If there's a will, there's a way. eom |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #178 |
180. Wrong. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:44 PM Response to Reply #180 |
183. Hey, combine it with different materials for the washes. Use a multi-pronged approach |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #183 |
186. If the fences in the washes |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #186 |
192. We have to make a REAL effort - otherwise, WTH disband the Homeland Security Department |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:05 PM Response to Reply #192 |
196. Now you are changing your argument. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:24 PM Response to Reply #196 |
199. No solution to this problem is THAT simplistic. |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:47 PM Response to Reply #199 |
205. No, the only thing that is simplistic |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:57 PM Response to Reply #183 |
191. Here you go: |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:02 PM Response to Reply #191 |
195. IF we can strive to go to MARS or have STAR WARS we can also secure our southern border. eom |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:06 PM Response to Reply #195 |
197. You really don't have an argument |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:21 PM Response to Reply #197 |
198. No, you merely don't have the will. You're being used by powerful corporate interests |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #198 |
204. Powerful corporate interests huh? |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:15 PM Response to Reply #204 |
206. No, there's more going on in both sides of our argument. eom |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 06:10 PM Response to Reply #169 |
212. And you're still peddling this disgusting idea, and with pictures now. n/t |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:26 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. If you talk to a republican/conservative they will give you a long list of areas |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:28 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Im sure they would |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 12:17 PM Response to Reply #9 |
87. Wow - every time you use the world *liberal* it troubles me. There's only corporate interests |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 12:18 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Well considering your contempt for Mexicans, it's not surprising that the |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 12:25 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. That's low, even for you. My contempt is for corporate politicians who do not wish to |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 12:53 PM Response to Reply #91 |
99. Just hating corporations hardly makes one a liberal |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:08 PM Response to Reply #99 |
107. It's more than "just" but a pattern of beliefs and perspectives that cumulate |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:20 PM Response to Reply #87 |
168. This from someone who continually has cited John McCain's stupid rhetoric all through this thread. n |
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Peacetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
11. Fear is the greatest enemy of the freedoms we cherish... K&R |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
13. K&R |
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benld74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
30. The Law is Unconstitutional - AND will be found so by the courts |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:40 AM Response to Reply #30 |
47. the "reason to believe" part will be found to be unconstituional profiling. |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
33. I live in AZ...you make excellent points. |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:31 AM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Thank you so much for saying that. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:35 AM Response to Reply #37 |
42. What do you say to the border areas where ranchers are getting murdered and the population |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:40 AM Response to Reply #42 |
48. "the population is being over-run" |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:59 AM Response to Reply #48 |
74. Apparently they're all murderers, too, according to Short. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 12:04 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. You know that I didn't imply that. How does it feel being used? |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 12:12 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. "border areas where ranchers are getting murdered " |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:22 PM Response to Reply #74 |
173. And according to John McCain. Interesting, yes? nt |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #173 |
187. Yes, very, very interesting. The shark has been jumped for the final time. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #187 |
190. Quite Ironic Isn't It? This Spew Coming From The Self-Proclaimed Arbiter Of Who Is A True Liberal... |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:01 PM Response to Reply #190 |
194. Yes. The irony is quite thick in here. Now I'm LMAO. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:27 PM Response to Reply #194 |
200. I Almost Friggin' Died Laughing When I Read That Coming From That Particular Poster |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:35 PM Response to Reply #200 |
201. LOL. So did I. |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:56 AM Response to Reply #42 |
72. As a Democrat I'll call bullshit on racists no matter what state they live in. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 12:09 PM Response to Reply #72 |
82. You're feigned self-righteousness is distasteful. You trust corporate politicians who wish for |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 12:53 PM Response to Reply #82 |
100. Secure how? |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:10 PM Response to Reply #100 |
108. Hey, those big-ass walls that work for Israel would do the trick? No joke. eom |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #108 |
137. You're NOT kidding? |
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Flaneur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #108 |
138. You have gone over the edge. God, just listen to yourself. |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #108 |
147. I feel sorry for you, honestly. Very sad to hear such a thing on DU. |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #147 |
151. Yes it is. |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:04 PM Response to Reply #108 |
150. Seriously? |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #108 |
179. Yeah, that didn't exaggerate what was once a minor problem at all, now, did it? |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #82 |
122. Wow, Who Knew, The Self-Proclaimed Arbiter Of Liberalness Is Really A Xenophobic Racist |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:36 PM Response to Reply #122 |
125. You have outdone yourself in rude behavior. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #125 |
126. Yes, Feigned Self Righteousness, Indeed |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:24 PM Response to Reply #82 |
174. And you trust (and liberally make use of) the rhe rhetoric of John McCain and JD |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:31 AM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Then let's pass a law Nationally that PUNISHES the employers of undocumented workers? eom |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:47 AM Response to Reply #38 |
60. Hundreds of Union Janitors Fired Under Pressure From Feds (ICE audits of employers) |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:53 AM Response to Reply #60 |
67. Too many Politicians use the guise of "human rights" to encourage large influxes of undocumented |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:22 PM Response to Reply #33 |
171. This lifelong Arizonan agreew wholeheartedly. nt |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
68. Please help Arizona elect NORMAL politicians - see my link for one. |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:57 AM Response to Reply #68 |
73. Great post, Jillan. Thank you for standing up for human rights |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
76. Very logical and valid points Mav |
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Crystal Clarity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
89. Why are so many people un-recommending this? |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. ... |
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Crystal Clarity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 12:32 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Yes |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. Read the comments within this entire thread and you may find ... |
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Crystal Clarity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 12:51 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. I have been reading them, which is why I'm so perplexed |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:04 PM Response to Reply #96 |
105. That makes a good and thoughtful democrat, IMO, to be "perplexed" - |
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Crystal Clarity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #105 |
111. Yes it does...make for a good and thoughtful Liberal/Dem |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:20 PM Response to Reply #111 |
116. Exactly! However, we've struggled with the illegal immigration problem as a nation too |
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Crystal Clarity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:44 PM Response to Reply #116 |
129. I didn't mean to imply |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:55 PM Response to Reply #129 |
141. Oh no, you come across as genuine. |
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Juneboarder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #93 |
167. Can you please clarify what this "horrific problem" is? |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:48 PM Response to Reply #167 |
208. I've lived in AZ for over 40 years; grown up in the very rural/agri county of Pinal |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
102. Oh my god, I actually agree with an NJ Maverick post. Fascinating. |
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164. Hell must have frozen over. I actually agree with you on something. n/t |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
170. It's sad to see all this fighting over something that'll NEVER be reformed |
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