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UndertheOcean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 07:37 PM Original message |
What is so wrong about Immigration "Amnesty" , that it makes some types froth at the mouth ? |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
1. Because it circumvents people who are actually going through a legal process. |
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UndertheOcean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 07:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. But for many of the illegals , the legal process was not open to them to begin with . |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
30. Changing the laws and amnesty are not the same thing. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 07:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. This process is obviously broken and now the second generation |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 08:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
26. A process only open to people who have $50K on hand or who are marrying a US citizen. |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 08:58 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Then we should change the system and get people in line... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:14 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. And that's not fair to the people already here who have been paying taxes |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:27 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Are you being serious? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:48 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. The way I put it to someone else is that we've had DADT for immigrants. |
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yodoobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:26 AM Response to Reply #33 |
60. SS deposits? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:40 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. People who steal do not give you money, mmmkay? |
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yodoobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:43 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. talking about identity |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:29 AM Response to Reply #33 |
68. Immigration isn't about "fair", it's about the public interest. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:12 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. It's not in our interest to have so many people living in the shadows. |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:04 AM Response to Reply #1 |
58. Legal immigration is horribly broken. |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:52 AM Response to Reply #58 |
73. We are 100% in agreement on immigration policy. |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
2. rewarding people for illegal activity and punishing people for attempting to following the law |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:14 PM Response to Reply #2 |
32. Nobody who "followed the law" would be punished |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:57 AM Response to Reply #32 |
74. +1000 nt |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
5. And all those gardening jobs, busboy jobs, fruit picking jobs, and various other menial jobs |
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cbayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 07:44 PM Response to Original message |
6. The people I know who get most worked up are those that have sacrificed so much |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 07:47 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. My mother and her five siblings all went through the legal process. |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 07:48 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Respectfully, it's not so simple. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 07:52 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. You can't create hundreds of thousands of refugees and not expect them to go somewhere. n/t |
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cbayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 08:01 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Not lauding them at all, just trying to answer the question. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 08:07 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Going back home to a ghost town |
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cbayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 08:16 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. I know. I wish I had a solution here. The people who I know who live in the shadows |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 08:20 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. The breaking up of families is the very worst. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
35. Sacrificed! if they are lucky enough to fit into the tiny narrow categories |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 07:44 PM Response to Original message |
7. Free-market libertarian types should be advocating open borders with no imigration limits. |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:17 PM Response to Reply #7 |
36. that's exactly what they DO advocate as they want slaves for maids and landscapers EOM |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:52 AM Response to Reply #7 |
65. Progressive Europeans with their open borders, strong social safety nets, national health care, |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:01 PM Response to Reply #65 |
78. That just shows how vacuous their ideology really is. |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
8. Because some are hung up on "legal" without thinking of reality |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
11. It's Strategy #6 on "the Right-Wing Playbook on Immigration Reform". |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 08:10 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. you have inspired a new sig line! |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
13. Fixing this 'problem' |
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Still Sensible (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
17. It's amplified because we had an amnesty program |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 08:16 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. So, why did the "demand" explode in the 80s and 90s? |
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Still Sensible (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 08:30 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. A lot of it was the predictable |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
18. Without real reform amnesty does nothing. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 08:21 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. So, what happened between 1986 and today to drive these people north? |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 08:40 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Same thing that happened prior to 1986. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:12 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. I think that NAFTA happened and that on top of Raygun's dirty wars. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:19 PM Response to Reply #18 |
37. And the reason we have so many illegally here |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:30 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. The US economy could never support everyone who wants to come here. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:51 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Then we better stop screwing around in Latin America, of all places, |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:40 AM Response to Reply #39 |
70. Basically it always has, to date |
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guardian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:13 PM Response to Reply #39 |
80. Well said! n/t |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 12:26 AM Response to Reply #37 |
51. It's "a crappy law" because it doesn't reflect what people do in the absence of law? Really? n/t |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:41 AM Response to Reply #51 |
71. Yes, since obviously a large scale migration is like a force of nature |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:16 AM Response to Reply #71 |
76. The point of laws is to resist "forces of nature". |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
24. Some people like the situation just fine as it is |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 08:34 PM Response to Original message |
25. It's the only solution. |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
28. It's not a solution.... |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
34. reagan was for it, doesn't that tell you enough? |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
40. For me, the central problem with amnesty |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
41. "such a simple solution to such a complex problem." and that's why it won't work... |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
44. Labor is a commodity. It's a product people sell in exchange for their wage. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:47 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Amnesty will not increase the labor supply. It merely acknowledges the supply already in place. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 12:50 AM Response to Reply #45 |
55. That was not the effect of the 1986 amnesty. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:17 AM Response to Reply #55 |
59. "According to one study". And you also have to factor in |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:28 AM Response to Reply #59 |
67. On another note |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:04 AM Response to Reply #44 |
66. The AFL-CIO, Change to Win and the Progressive Caucus support comprehensive immigration reform. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:42 AM Response to Reply #44 |
72. It's worldwide |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:56 PM Response to Original message |
46. The root cause of our immigration policy is the Mexican economy that cannot support it's people. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 12:06 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Mexico's corruption cannot be cleaned up while American administrations |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 12:21 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Where can I get the skinny on what you said? Is there a book somewhere? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 12:44 AM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Let me put some links together for you in the morning. It's late now. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:37 AM Response to Reply #49 |
77. A few links. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 12:22 AM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Mexico has the world's 16th largest economy, and the world's richest person. |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 12:26 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. You are stating the status quo, I suggest that it has to change as part of an integrated immigration |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 12:50 AM Response to Reply #50 |
56. Mexico has exactly the government that our government wants it to have. |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 12:12 AM Response to Original message |
48. There's been a lot of OPs like this one lately. |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 12:26 AM Response to Original message |
53. because people are assholes who blame those with less than them |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:58 AM Response to Reply #53 |
75. +1000 nt |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 12:57 AM Response to Original message |
57. People shouldn't rewarded for breaking the law. |
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jp11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:37 AM Response to Original message |
62. Many reasons, one is just allowing those who are here to now become citizens adds millions of new |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:44 AM Response to Original message |
64. It threatens the perception of being a white country for white folks |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
79. Racism. |
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iceman1 (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
81. To some it reinforces a bad behavior. |
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