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Kablooie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:11 AM Original message |
The oil spill may become Obama's Katrina and it may also become his legacy. |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:15 AM Response to Original message |
1. i will check in later to see how many |
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breadandwine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:46 AM Response to Reply #1 |
39. This - IS - Obama's Katrina. |
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saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:18 AM Response to Reply #39 |
46. DRILL BABY DRILL |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:50 PM Response to Reply #39 |
84. This is nothing like Katrina. Evacuation is a relatively simple situation that the |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:18 PM Response to Reply #84 |
91. Sorry but those who have been looking into oil disasters have been saying since the |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:48 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. How do you know that our allies aren't working with us to find a solution? n/t |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:03 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. The experts from other lands are not being allowed to come over here and do a thing. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:07 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. How do you know that the experts aren't consulting with ours? They don't have |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:08 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. because the experts would be coming up with real solutions and not |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 07:34 PM Response to Reply #97 |
103. You have more faith in "experts" than I do. Can you tell me about a similar situation |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 02:48 AM Response to Reply #103 |
126. Yes, this situation is unprecedented. But unprecedented does not |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:54 AM Response to Reply #126 |
128. How do you know the government is turning down offers to help? n/t |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #128 |
133. From reading the news... |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 05:23 PM Response to Reply #103 |
136. You make some valid points, but I'm highly suspicious that instead of going |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 02:33 AM Response to Reply #96 |
125. Here is a story about how our State Dept is turning away offers of help |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:12 PM Response to Reply #39 |
109. "If he were Bush we would be howling from the rafters by now." |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:25 AM Response to Original message |
2. "This may become Obama's legacy because he seems to be taking a hands off policy. " |
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caledesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:04 AM Response to Reply #2 |
15. Ditto! nt |
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Feron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #2 |
65. I'm a Katrina survivor and this is absolutely comparable to K. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:31 PM Response to Reply #65 |
70. Your being a Katrina survivor doesn't lend you any expertise on oil disasters. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:28 AM Response to Original message |
3. Hands off, government is bad, corporations do EVERYTHING better than |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:15 AM Response to Reply #3 |
34. "We the people" also are the corporations--all sizes. |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:07 AM Response to Reply #3 |
62. Exactly. Government must never be allowed to even have the appearance of competence. |
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gimama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:29 AM Response to Original message |
4. Thank YOU for posting |
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Kablooie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:31 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. He's handling this like he did the health insurance bill -- and with the same result. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:35 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. "health insurance bill "? Seems you're only interested in distortion. Here |
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Kablooie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:08 AM Response to Reply #9 |
30. First that's recovery. I'm talking about stopping the source. |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:25 AM Response to Reply #9 |
49. Private fishing vessels from the area., boom and dispersants, whoop dee freakin doo! |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
88. BP is in charge because Capital trumps Government |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:29 AM Response to Original message |
5. An expert from National Geographic society "explained" a lot on tv yesterday |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:33 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. I expect him to call in experts and equipment from other Nations if need be |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:37 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. He should go before the American people and say just that |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:06 AM Response to Reply #10 |
16. Bush went on prime time TV at the drop of a hat for his bullshit |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 08:36 AM Response to Reply #5 |
58. Thank you. #6 is the key point. Good post...nt |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:49 AM Response to Reply #5 |
61. You ask, "what do people expect him to do?" |
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dana_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:08 PM Response to Reply #5 |
107. Yes, I heard that the government actually can't do much yet |
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bighart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:29 PM Response to Reply #107 |
112. Isn't that what Bush said about Kartina? |
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dana_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:31 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. Yep, he sure did! |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:33 PM Response to Reply #5 |
114. Allow the dutch to contribute their knowledge and two clean-up vessels that they have offered, |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:33 AM Response to Original message |
7. Because the government has no clue as to what to do. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:37 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Oh, come on. We send space shuttles up regularly and we can't plug a gusher? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:43 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. A phone number for you |
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CC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:01 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. If the countries with Nationalized offshore oil fields |
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Electric Monk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:06 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. They do. Their plan is require a proper BOP in place before opening the spigot. |
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CC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:31 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. And that will work after the fact how? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:49 AM Response to Reply #11 |
25. I have talked to some fluid mechanics engineers who say there may be no |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:17 AM Response to Reply #11 |
35. It takes months and years to plan for a shuttle mission, and we have an entire agency for that. |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:17 AM Response to Reply #11 |
36. Our space program has been a government program. BP is not |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:34 PM Response to Reply #11 |
115. It has been said that we know more about space than our own planet where the oceans are concerned. |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:48 AM Response to Reply #7 |
24. You just explained what the problen is |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:49 AM Response to Reply #7 |
27. 'The levies were known to be vulnerable' |
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indepat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 08:14 AM Response to Reply #27 |
57. Surely this administration knew the Federal regulatory agency in charge was corrupted and not |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #57 |
72. Absolutely. Every left-over Bush appointee and staff member |
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indepat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:16 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. And it is and will continue to bite this administration squarely in the ass |
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Electric Monk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:04 AM Response to Original message |
14. I blame Cheney's energy task force. This is their legacy. |
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Kablooie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:12 AM Response to Reply #14 |
32. Their policies may have enabled it but Obama is responsible for fixing it. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:25 PM Response to Reply #14 |
79. What steps did Obama take to reverse Cheney's legacy? |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:09 AM Response to Original message |
18. I kind of think Obama would probably behead BP executives on national TV than let... |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:28 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Early days? We're at a month here of a 100% man made disaster |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:38 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I have a feeling this is going to be going on a long time. n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:18 AM Response to Original message |
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icee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:49 AM Response to Reply #19 |
26. I agree with you, There is a hidden text with Obama. He is |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:52 AM Response to Reply #19 |
28. Why are you assuming there is some good solution other countries have and we don't? |
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Kablooie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:10 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. The Scandanavian countrys spend a lot more effort and research on oil industries. |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 08:39 AM Response to Reply #31 |
59. Can you support that claim?...nt |
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Kablooie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:38 AM Response to Reply #59 |
63. No. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #31 |
67. That doesn't mean they have a solution to a problem of this magnitude -- |
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Kablooie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:14 AM Response to Reply #19 |
33. You are way off base. He's extremely capable but perhaps too cautious at times. |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:39 AM Response to Original message |
23. +1000 |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:25 AM Response to Original message |
29. His "let's see what happens" approach is not working. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:20 AM Response to Reply #29 |
37. You are assuming that some other approach by Obama WOULD actually work. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:24 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. No, I'm saying that he's the president, and that means he's required to act. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:51 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. But you talk as if somehow "acting" would actually help the situation. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:03 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. That's because it would. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:23 AM Response to Reply #42 |
48. According to your logic, we should blame Obama for too much snow. |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:29 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Are you saying this catastrophe is an act of nature, like a snow storm? nt |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:44 AM Response to Reply #48 |
53. When you can articulate a cogent point, I'll respond further. |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:56 AM Response to Reply #48 |
55. The buck DOES stop there. Obama said so himself. |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 07:04 AM Response to Reply #40 |
56. He actually IS acting. He's acting as an enabler. |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 08:41 AM Response to Reply #38 |
60. Act how? What, specifically, do you want him to do?...nt |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #38 |
68. Are you saying he should just send a nuclear bomb down there? |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:36 PM Response to Reply #68 |
81. No. If I had wanted to say that I would have said that. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #81 |
86. Oh really. The person who told me is a university professor with an expertise |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Unlike you and your alleged source, I'm knowledgeable. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:02 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. So what are your qualifications? I certainly hope you're right. n/t |
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lamp_shade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:53 AM Response to Original message |
41. YOU WISH !! |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:10 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. what a stupid thing to say. Why would anybody "wish" Obama were "done in" by the leak? |
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lamp_shade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:21 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. That loud noise you just heard? Me laughing! I stand firmly by my comment. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:08 PM Response to Reply #47 |
90. Idiotic. |
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Kablooie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:46 AM Response to Reply #44 |
64. You're right. I'm a strong Obama supporter but I have criticisms of him also. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:25 PM Response to Reply #44 |
69. What are the "bold" things Obama could do to stop the oil from gushing? |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:21 PM Response to Reply #69 |
78. hello? he could seize BP's assets. He could tell them to step out of the way |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:37 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. Seizing BP's assets -- though I'm all for it -- wouldn't magically give us a solution |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:07 AM Response to Original message |
43. Obama made it happen! Obama made it happen!!!! |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:14 AM Response to Original message |
45. IT'S ALL OBAMA'S FAULT! |
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boomerbust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:29 AM Response to Original message |
51. Since |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:31 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Oh please, you are saying they deserve no federal response. |
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Zoeisright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:34 PM Response to Reply #52 |
80. I don't think they DO deserve much of a response. |
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DatManFromNawlins (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:30 PM Response to Reply #51 |
98. Go buy a clue |
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gleaner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:53 AM Response to Original message |
54. Thank you for your post ... |
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Kablooie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:11 PM Response to Reply #54 |
76. I disagree. |
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gleaner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #76 |
83. You are entitled to you're opinion, |
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Kablooie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:03 PM Response to Reply #83 |
106. I agree that Obama has really screwed up on the oil spew. He will come out of this damaged. |
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gleaner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 06:45 AM Response to Reply #106 |
131. Definitely ... |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
66. agree; and despite the tragedy, new permits were granted for the gulf: |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
71. People with no clue about what's happening often assume that nothing is happening. n/t |
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Kablooie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:51 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. That's why it could be to the government's advantage to publicize their actions. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:03 PM Response to Reply #73 |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:55 PM Response to Reply #71 |
85. +1 n/t |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
75. This is Obama's that time the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. |
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tranche (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
93. This is Obama's Magnetic Field Reversal! |
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greencharlie (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
94. I fail to see how the best minds in the field... |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
99. This is Obama's Magical Mystery Tour n/t |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
100. This is Obama's White Album n/t |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
101. This is Obama's IV |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
102. In a way, the Tennessee Floods was Obama's Katrina |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:08 PM Response to Reply #102 |
108. Actually, Gov Bredesen praised FEMA: "before the first drop fell" |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #108 |
134. Oh. Ok |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
104. It will not be Katrina, it will be bigger people worked |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 07:50 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. Dead fish. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:48 AM Response to Reply #105 |
124. It will be a global travesty, the coast will never be the same if they can't |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 04:26 AM Response to Reply #124 |
130. It already IS a global travesty - the oil is in the "loop current", moving into the Atlantic Ocean |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:50 AM Response to Reply #130 |
132. Yeah I know, I am just trying to stay as positive as I can. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
110. In the long term, this will be worse than Katrina |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:35 PM Response to Reply #110 |
116. Way worse I'm afraid. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:37 PM Response to Reply #110 |
117. BP needs to be put out of business and ditto for any elected official |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:52 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. Amen! |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:38 AM Response to Reply #117 |
127. + |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
111. NO. There is NO comparison. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:40 PM Response to Reply #111 |
119. The flooding in NOLA was a manmade disaster, not from the hurricane. |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:13 PM Response to Reply #119 |
121. What a ridiculous argument. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:21 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. No, the levees were short-footed, fyi. They should have held had they been built to spec. |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:45 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. Still, there is no comparison between the two. If you notice |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 04:26 AM Response to Reply #121 |
129. Since you apparently only woke up after Katrina, somebody should tell you that |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
118. Obama knows if he sets new standards for BP? he'll have to do it to them all |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
135. ... |
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