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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 07:34 PM
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Cut the Pentagon Budget in Half and We'll Solve One Hell of a Lot of What Ails Us.


Here's the picture:

President Barack Obama today sent to Congress a proposed defense budget of $663.8 billion for fiscal 2010.

Putting the armaments makers ahead of We the People is an odd way of running a country.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 07:35 PM
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1. K&R
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 07:43 PM
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4. President Obama's Secret: Only 100 al Qaeda Now in Afghanistan.
We don't need to invest in arms at the same pace as if we were at war. From ABC news:

President Obama's Secret: Only 100 al Qaeda Now in Afghanistan
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 09:14 PM
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31. Aha.
That article points out most of the Al Qaeda leadership and ground forces have relocated to Pakistan. Waziristan.

...So you must support the drone attacks in Pakistan, then?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 09:21 PM
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33. No, I don't. Especially seeing who makes money off the drone attacks.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 07:36 PM
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2. k&r
We don't need to be spending all this money on war machinery.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 07:54 PM
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9. Imagine what we could do with a spare $332 billion...
Maybe we could get around to that Green New Deal I used to hear about back in '08.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 07:42 PM
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3. Uh, that budget isn't just about "armaments makers"......
What in that budget would you cut - you said by half. Which half? That would be $332 billion.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 07:48 PM
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7. Uh. From your reply, your half.
That is, if you're with Halliburton, Blackwater and the rest of the war profiteers who've made a mint since Cheney was Secretary of Defense.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 08:24 PM
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19. My half is military promotions and pay, and the defense of our bases at home and abroad...
...and stuff like that.

Meanwhile, please detail what items from that budget you would cut. You cannot cut Dick Cheney's budget. This is an Obama budget. Now what would you cut?
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 08:36 PM
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20. Addendum: Go to the fifth paragraph of your main link and check out the details of the budget.
Here:

Key highlights of the proposed DoD budget are outlined in the attached overview and summary charts. For more information and to view the entire fiscal 2010 budget proposal, please visit http://www.budget.mil and download the department’s “FY 2010 Budget Request Summary Justification.” Budget-related transcripts can also be viewed online at http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/index.aspx?mo=5&yr=2009 to include “DoD News Briefing With Secretary Gates From The Pentagon” on April 6, 2009.

What would you cut?

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 08:47 PM
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24. I'd cut everything and everybody not needed to defend the nation.
How would I go about doing that? I'd find every program started as a result of the bedwetting warmongers who've pretty much run the country into the ground since November 22, 1963.

Want to know who "They" are? Try the NAZI-inspired turds who trumped up the Cold War for personal power and profit.

Don't bother telling me. I know Obama wasn't born when the CIA hired all the NAZIs.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 09:03 PM
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27. Then there is very little you can cut in that budget.....
Find waste and cut that completely out. That goes for all federal budgets.

But displaying the Defense Budget and dividing it in half was not a very well considered approach to saving waste in the government.

I don't care to travel with you on that Nazi/Republican tangentia. At the end of WWII we tried to get as many nazis as possible to come over to our side - especially the rocket scientists - like Werner Von Braun, and quite a few others.

That's another discussion.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 09:08 PM
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29. You are correct. It is a complex question of whose ox gets gored.
Edited on Fri May-21-10 09:09 PM by Octafish
The thing is, the nation cannot afford to carry the load of a dozen Nimitz class carriers plus an Air Force that can take out the rest of the world's combined ten times over and an army stationed on every corner of every continent while the problems on the home front are so severe -- from no jobs to lousy public schools to health care for the insurance companies.

So far, the Pentagon's budget pie has been pretty much sacrosanct. It's past time to bring it down to earth.

I'd love to talk with you about any of this anytime, suston96. To me, you sound like a veteran who knows a bit of history and what ails our nation.

EDIT: Who's
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 09:16 PM
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32. Thanks......
I think we believe in the same things but may have different levels of enthusiasm about our beliefs.

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iceman1 Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 07:44 PM
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5. as long as it keeps America safe, I'm down with it.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 08:00 PM
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11. That'd be the thing. We need to protect the nation and support our warfighters.
War Monger by John Carroll



What we don't need are the warmongering bedwetters who lied America into war.

PS: A most hearty welcome to DU, iceman1.
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iceman1 Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 08:03 PM
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13. Thanks Octafish!! :)
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 08:58 PM
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25.  Kick...Thanks Octafish...
Paid Poster trolls... agent Mike around every corner. It gets so old...Americans are SO Friggin' dumb...
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 08:39 PM
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22. How many military activities in the last 45 years sincerely kept America safe?
Bet you cannot name, and support, two.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 07:25 PM
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39. I would love to see a response to this as well. nt
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 07:44 PM
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6. It is worse than "odd".
It is a symptom of an Empire in Decline, and promises very bad things for those NOT in the "Ownership Class" (top 1%).
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 08:10 PM
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14. The American Empire Project spoke with Chalmers Johnson...
...725 military bases outside the United States...

That guy, like you and all good DUers, bvar22, is a real patriot.
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 08:21 PM
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18. Salut to the Patriots Bvar and Octafish.
Edited on Fri May-21-10 08:22 PM by PufPuf23
I am just so irritated today over our circumstance and how much sadness and pain has been unnecessary.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 07:50 PM
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8. K&R
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 08:13 PM
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16. Defense Secretary Tells Congress to Cut Pentagon Waste
Gates used a speech marking the 65th anniversary of the end of World War II in Europe to argue that blank-check spending does not make the country or the world safer.

-- What Robert "Bank of Crooks and Criminals International" Gates said.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 07:54 PM
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10. K & R. n/t
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 09:03 PM
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26. Cost of War
Cost of War.

Astounding stuff, there, chill_wind. Thank you for the heads-up.

To you and all good DUers, one human life holds infinite value.

To develop each to her fullest only requires a few dollars.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 10:10 PM
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35. Do you remember President Obama
occasionally cribbing cites from that site on the campaign trail? The costs of the Iraq war and the trade-offs? I do. I've had that link in my sig for 6 years. I would sit right up straight when he did that.

Those were the days.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 07:28 PM
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40. That was before he Changed and Hope in him died. nt
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 08:01 PM
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12. K&R
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 02:24 PM
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37. Pentagon’s Black Budget Tops $56 Billion
Here's to WIRED shining a flash light into a black hole:



Pentagon’s Black Budget Tops $56 Billion

Noah Shachtman and Katie Drummond
WIRED.com

The Defense Department just released its king-sized, $708 billion budget for the next fiscal year. Much of the proposed spending is fairly detailed — noting exactly how many helicopters the Pentagon plans to buy and how many troops it plans on playing. But about $56 billion goes simply to “classified programs,” or to projects known only by their code names, like “Chalk Eagle” and “Link Plumeria.” That’s the Pentagon’s black budget.

Cobbling together this round figure for the military’s hush-hush projects is easier than it seems. The Pentagon’s separate ledgers for operations, research and procurement all contain line items for “classified programs.” Add those to the nonsensically-named programs, and you’ve got yourself an estimate for the Pentagon’s secretive efforts.

Last year, that budget grew to more than $50 billion – ”the largest-ever sum,” according to Aviation Week’s Bill Sweetman, a longtime black-budget seer. A few more billion were added for wartime operations, for a total of $54 billion. This year’total would be $2 billion higher, a 3.7 percent increase.

Not all of the Pentagon’s secret projects got a budget boost, however. Funds for the Cobra Judy missile-watching radar system were cut nearly in half, from $61 million to $36.5 million. Similar, money for the Navy’s Link Evergreen project was cut to $41 million, from $123 million.

Read More http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/02/pentagons-black-budget-tops-56-billion/#ixzz0ogiASNsO



PS: Good to read you, me b zola! Missed you, my Friend!
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 08:12 PM
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15. We are expanding our military footprint in Latin America and Africa
This fits right in place with neo-liberalism and inverted totalitarianism

"Inverted totalitarianism is an ideal type of government coined by political theorist Sheldon Wolin. It is a theoretical representation of the government of the United States as it has evolved since World War II."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism

I finished re-reading a book from HS history (in 1966) two days ago, They Thought They Were Free: The Germans 1933 to 1945 (published 1955 by Milton Myer).

Here are some recent reviews from Amazon including one from his daughter.

http://www.amazon.com/They-Thought-Were-Free-Germans/product-reviews/0226511928/ref=cm_cr_dp_all_helpful?ie=UTF8&coliid=&showViewpoints=1&colid=&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 08:41 PM
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23. That's a hell of a book. John Kerry had it on his desk during an interview in '04...
...people on DU commented on the semiotics of the thing.

Thank you for the links and information, PufPuf23. Dave Emory reads from that work:

http://www.archive.org/details/ReadbyDaveEmoryTheyThoughtTheyWereFree

Mr. Emory discusses it on his WFMU radio show #268, archived courtesy of Spitfire List (scroll down a ways):

http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/DX

Would more people knew a NAZI when they smelled one.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 08:21 PM
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17. you can see Reagan and Bush 2
I'd be curious to see how the deficit would compare on that graph.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 02:18 PM
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36. They are two of three big reasons for the fiscal mess we are in today...
...the third being Bush 1. Sorry this doesn't chart exactly with the other graph, but it tells the story:



Red Ink Ronnie and his keepers emptied the Treasury and gotten the nation in hock to our enemies, robbing our kids, grandkids, great-grandkids, great-great grandkids... and our great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandkids of their futures, as well.

We the People Need Jubilee: Lion's Share of the National Debt Incurred under GOP Pretzeldents.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 08:39 PM
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21. HUGE K & R !!!
:kick:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 02:29 PM
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38. The European model...




Next, about defense spending– True, Social Security and Medicare are about the same size as the amount we are told is spent upon defense. The difference is that Medicare and Social Security are governmental TRUST funds. They are NOT paid for through income tax. They are supported by direct contributions from those who benefit from them. . Hence, Social Security and Medicare do not belong in the Federal Budget Allocations, whereas Defense spending is an appropriation and is 60+% of our budget.

If our spending was in line with the rest of the world we could easily balance our budget. Just about every country in Europe, for example, spends less that 2% of its GDP on defense. Most are around 1% and the whole European Union together only spends 1.69%. We spend 4.65%. It is this imbalance that makes it easy for the top 1-2% to keep us busy fighting each other, rather than focusing on them, the real cause of the problem.

SOURCE:

http://dailycensored.com/2010/03/30/there-is-a-thing-about-opinions/



Thank you, WillyT. It's good to read you, my Friend.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 09:06 PM
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28. Cutting military funding has become a third rail of American politics
Sorry, but it's most true for a Democratic president.

If Barack Obama attempted to expend political capital on cutting the Pentagon budget, the same thing that happened t Bush when he tried to privatize medicare would happen to Obama.

Just needed to insert a little political reality into the debate.

It ain't gonna happen.
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 09:12 PM
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30. It will eventually be reduced, once they've bankrupted the country...
...there simply will not be the money there for their toys. Unfortunately, by that time, us citizens will be living in a third world country. Everything will be reduced, before the military gives up a dime.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 09:26 PM
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34. Excellent points. You know who can afford to buy Strategic Defense Co.s?
China, longtime business partners of America's political dynasty.

Ever hear of Magnequench: Outsourcing Military Technology to China?

Weird how for the last 47 years, our national policy always seems to benefit a certain class.

After the collapse, they should be able to get some real bargains.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 07:31 PM
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41. So many vampire squids, so little calimari. K & R nt
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