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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 12:13 PM
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Obama takes a stand: No more offshore drilling unless oil companies promise no more disasters.
What more can one ask from lawless, profit seeking, environment destroying multinational corporations than a promise? Problem solved. Drill, baby, drill, but promise, baby, promise. Just to be safe, however, they should have to cross their heart and hope to die while promising.

"Out of focus ideology
Keeps the masses from majority."

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/natural_resources/article7133937.ece

President Barack Obama yesterday declared that offshore oil drilling would only be allowed to continue if firms gave assurances that disasters such as the present Gulf of Mexico spillage would be avoided.

As BP fights to contain that leak, Obama announced the launch of a commission to find the cause of the accident, sparked by an explosion on the Deepwater Horizon oil rig. Obama said: “We can only pursue offshore oil drilling if we have assurances that a disaster like the BP oil spill will not happen again.”

The president hinted for the first time at the possibility of a separate criminal investigation into the leak, which threatens to overtake the 1989 Exxon Valdez spill as the country’s worst ecological disaster. He also suggested that the “cosy relationship” between oil companies and regulators has “long been a source of concern”.

BP has pledged to be as open as possible in dealing with US authorities. Tony Hayward, chief executive, said on Friday: “We are committed to providing the American people with the information they need to understand the environmental impact from the spill and the response steps taken.”

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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 12:14 PM
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1. I hope this is from the Onion. Or, is this a serious statement by
the President? If so, we are in some deep trouble.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 01:13 PM
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28. Yep, we are in some deep trouble.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 02:38 PM
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41. It appears we are pretty far down the rabbit hole.
nt
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stillwaiting Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 07:26 AM
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48. We're in trouble. Time to change the system (not work within it to elect "better" Democrats). nt
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 12:15 PM
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2. We should turn down
the hysteria around here a few notches.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 12:21 PM
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8. Gotcha'
I think.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 01:32 PM
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38. Indeed! n/t
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 12:15 PM
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3. This is my sanity right now. I can't keep obsessing on the Gulf Oil Spewage BUT
I can start envisioning how it might cause things to start changing for the greater good.

If this disaster can be the start of standing down Big Oil and the Oligarchy, there will be some good from the sacrifice.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 12:16 PM
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6. Yep, a lot of good promises will come out of this
Edited on Sun May-23-10 12:17 PM by Oregone
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 12:46 PM
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16. Not to mention commitees,. commissions, studies, and a possible star studded movie.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 12:50 PM
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20. How can Hollywood possibly ignore the chance to feature explosions?
Tom Hanks and Robert Redford co-starring, too.
wonder who will play the Vampire Squid?
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 01:06 PM
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25. Maybe they can get Sarah Palin to do a cameo squirm-on.
:hi:
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 12:16 PM
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4. k/r
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 12:16 PM
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5. Then why all of these?
Edited on Sun May-23-10 12:20 PM by laylah
I have been a staunch President Obama supporter, even when I have disagreed with him these past 16 months; however, this is HUGE and IMVHO, he needs to do much more!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=drilling+permits+awarded+may+2010&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

edited to add...i am not going to tolerate attacks, which GD is notorious for. i am only putting forth my own opinion. we used to be a family (i've been here since almost day 1). these attacks that happen regularly are what keep many of us, with GOOD ideas, thoughts, and intentions, out of here. help make it better :hug:
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NodQuestion Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 12:20 PM
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7. How out just no more offshore drilling
only 8% of our energy comes from ALT-energy and even the houses ill doesn't dramatically increase the use of renewable fuels. Alt usage hasn't changed since 1945, when they started keeping track, and this offshore crap is just a stopgap.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 12:25 PM
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9. Promises, Promises
Get tough, that will show 'em.
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 12:30 PM
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10. That is an impossible promise.
That is like asking the airlines to promise no more crashes, or oil tankers to promise never to have an accident again, or the military to never have an accident with a nuclear weapon. (There have been several, but luckily they didn't explode. One tripped all the triggers except one.) Shit happens despite the best plans. That does not absolve BP as it is apparent in hindsight that they didn't have the best plans, and in some aspects they seem to have had no plan.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 01:17 PM
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31. Well, that's the point, isn't it?
If they can't even honestly make a promise not to destroy the planet - MAYBE THEY SHOULDN'T BE DRILLING!
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Towlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 12:32 PM
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11. I refuse to believe that Barack Obama said something this stupid.
Edited on Sun May-23-10 12:37 PM by Towlie
"Promise?" "Cross your heart and hope to die?" "Okay, you can keep drilling."

It sounds as if he thinks the BP executives did this on purpose.

Imagine if this principle was extended to other industries that can potentially cause harm. Don't regulate them or control them, just make them put up their right hand and say "I swear I will not kill anyone."

How can a corporation make a credible promise anyway? Only a person can do that. A corporation is little more that a mindless profit-making machine. Its promises mean nothing.

I would have easily believed that George W. Bush said something like this, but not Barack Obama.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 01:18 PM
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32. Well, it's right there in the article.
Can you really read it any other way? I can't.
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charlesg Donating Member (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 12:35 PM
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12. Why is he sounding like MMS?
"You promise to keep it safe?"
"Yeah"
"Okay, here is your lease"

"You promise to pay your share when you get a chance?"
"Yeah"
"Okay, here is your lease"

etc.

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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 12:40 PM
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13. Public policy should not involve corporate promises
Promises? That is just one more way of saying 'industry self regulation'.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 12:42 PM
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14. "We promise."
Say the oil companies with crossed-fingers behind their backs.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 12:44 PM
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15. I say no more drilling unless the federal govt. is equipped to clean up the messes.
That means having the legal and technologic ability.

We all know that further disasters will happen and companies will struggle/refuse to clean them up. It's the natural course of greed. It will be easier to separate oil from water in the Gulf than it would be to separate oil companies from greed.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 01:15 PM
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30. +1000
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 01:33 PM
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39. I support your idea.
:thumbsup:

"It will be easier to separate oil from water in the Gulf than it would be to separate oil companies from greed."

Truer words were never spoken.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 12:48 PM
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17. What nonesense. They had all the promises in the world from BP
when they gave them categorical exclusions from all environmental reviews and BP *promised* it could clean up a *spill* 6 times the size of this one.

More hollow rhetoric for an empty box of *hope*.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 03:33 PM
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44. Correction 60 times, not 6
BP told feds it could handle oil spill 60 times larger than Deepwater Horizon
By Ben Raines
May 19, 2010, 5:00AM

In its 2009 exploration plan for the Deepwater Horizon well, BP PLC states that the company could handle a spill involving as much as 12.6 million gallons of oil per day, a number 60 times higher than its current estimate of the ongoing Gulf disaster.

...


As of Tuesday, BP reported recovering 6 million gallons of oily water since the ongoing spill began four weeks ago. BP spokesman Tom Mueller said that only about 10 percent of the skimmed liquid was oil, which would amount to about 600,000 gallons of oil collected thus far.

Mueller also said via e-mail Tuesday that "the spill has stayed about the same size or even shrunk on the water as a result of our response efforts."

...

An emergency would activate the company's Oil Spill Response Plan, a 582-page document submitted to federal regulators in 2008 and designed to cover all BP operations in the Gulf of Mexico.

...

In the document, BP states that the company "has the capability to respond, to the maximum extent practicable, to a worst-case discharge," which it defines as 300,000 barrels, or about 12.6 million gallons, of oil per day.

It goes on to detail dozens of skimming vessels available around the Gulf that could collectively recover 17.6 million gallons a day.

It says dispersants will be able to sink 6,080 to 7,600 barrels per day into the Gulf.

A safety data sheet about the principal dispersant that the company has reported using during the ongoing spill says "no toxicity studies have been conducted on this product," and labels "the potential human hazard: High."

...

http://blog.al.com/live/2010/05/bp_told_feds_it_could_handle_o.html
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ShamelessHussy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 12:49 PM
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18. Yeah, they always promise... we promise not to lie cheat and steal to make more money, seriously!
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 12:49 PM
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19. Why not extend the ultimatum to airlines?
No more flights until they promise no more airplane crashes.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 12:53 PM
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23. Get your appleas outta here. This discussion is oranges only.
:evilgrin:
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 01:20 PM
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34. Will an airplane crash destroy thousands of miles of coastland?
You're really going to defend BP? Really?
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 01:29 PM
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37. My point is--why not extend irrational promises to everything?
Accidents will happen no matter how many promises are made. This article is disingenous. Even if Obama does somehow extract promises and oaths it isn't going to keep shit from hitting the fan oce in a while
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 09:09 PM
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45. I hope the nuclear power lobby doesn't hear about this. They'll promise anything.
nt
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 12:50 PM
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21. They promise! Just like his campaign promises.
:eyes:
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 12:51 PM
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22. Cross their hearts and hope to die? Stick a needle in their eye?
I mean, we need to make promises count.
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 12:57 PM
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24. Rita and Katrina took out 109 platforms
Do the oil companies have a hurricane boom hidden somewhere?
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 01:10 PM
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26. Kind of like telling the banksters to "avoid" fraud.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 01:10 PM
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27. Charlie Brown, I will not snatch away the football.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 01:14 PM
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29. "Will you still respect me in the morning?"
OMFG.:eyes:

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 01:19 PM
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33. It's a start. But I would prefer that no off shore drilling be done ever, period.
We can't do this to our oceans. If we kill all that is in them, we kill ourselves. It's what helps our planet to live. I'm happy Schwarzenegger finally did a good deed in California by denouncing it for our coastline and I'm certain Jerry Brown will keep that promise. However, if Meg Whitman becomes governor, you can be sure there will be oil rigs all over the coastline by the time she's done finishing the job of trashing our state that Pete Wilson began.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 01:22 PM
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35. A DLC/NDC stand
IOW, pander to the corporations.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 01:24 PM
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36. And the hits just keep on comin'!
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/5/10/headlines

snip...

Obama Administration Approves 27 New Offshore Drilling Permits

The Center for Biological Diversity reports the Obama administration is continuing to exempt new offshore drilling operations from environmental review despite the Gulf disaster. Since the April 20th explosion at the BP rig, the Department of Interior’s Minerals Management Service has approved twenty-seven new offshore drilling permits. All but one of the projects were granted the same environmental review exemption used to approve the BP drilling site. On Saturday the Sierra Club held a rally for volunteers in New Orleans to help organize the clean-up from the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

~emphasis added



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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 01:40 PM
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40. Sounds pretty weak... (no text)
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 02:54 PM
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42. Well..as long as Obama makes them promise..I guess its all OK.
Boy, that Obama sure is a tough negotiator.
Did you see the way he got tough with Lieberman and The Republicans over HCR?
.
.
.
.
Oh wait.
No he didn't.
He gave away everything the Republicans wanted, and got back NOTHING!
My bad.
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Generic Brad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 03:26 PM
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43. He's asking for a pie crust promise
Easily made and easily broken.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 09:37 PM
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46. Did they pinky swear though?


It's not binding without pinky swears.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 08:02 AM
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50. He should make them go the whole 9 yards
and make them add "Cross my heart and hope to die"
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 05:39 AM
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47. Kick
nt
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limit18 Donating Member (261 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 07:36 AM
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49. A stand...
stands around with his finger up his ass doing nothing.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 08:56 AM
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51. Pathetic...

But what can we expect from Capital's 'front man in chief'?

k&r
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 08:57 AM
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52. Just make it unlimited liability for spills. //nt
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