Is BP's long range plan on this gusher to make the gulf

a total dead zone so no one will complain about oil wells in it anymore?

You might be on to something here.

I Wouldn't have any reason not to believe it.

What was Cheney in Saudi Arabia for?Anyone know?Who else was there?sort of an Enron kind of meeting?Or a 9/11 kind of planning meeting?

Also they could use it against Obama,of course.

Have you?

gather it. Nothing like seeing to it that it goes far and wide.

Are you also suggesting that the federal government is a part of this plan to make the Gulf a dead zone?

Am I missing something here?

,but BP told them that they couldn't find a suitable substitute. The EPA let them then resume using the Corexit.

As a heavily related aside, this is the problem I am having with a number of the complaints about how things are being handled on the government end. Some blogger or journalist or editor uses the term "ignore," and that's what we get perpetually despite it being factually untrue. This clouds the depth of the situation and make effective evaluation much more difficult.

In any case, the directive was made, and a response was given. EPA called a meeting. This is all available at the EPA's website, including PDFs of the letters exchanged so far.

Here's the wrinkle. BP is claiming CBI (confidential business information) with some of their data, which is important in the determination of whether the dispersant being used is a) effective and/or b) unacceptably toxic. (It's all toxic. We would best not forget that because whatever is done, it's going to be a trade-off.) The mere claim of CBI triggers an aspect of US law that doesn't allow governmental agencies to make certain data public. The EPA is pressing back and forcing BP to justify their claim of CBI, meanwhile publishing all data that doesn't fall under CBI guidelines immediately upon receipt. EPA should release another statement tomorrow regarding the current status of this.

It's good to know the facts on that, because it was somewhat unclear, which is why I asked if I was missing something.

Thanks for making it clearer.

... so it's unclear by definition.

Here's a direct link to where you can find source information. It's updated as new items are made available.

http://www.epa.gov/bpspill/dispersants.html

it's carcinogenic and mutagenic. http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/may/20/gulf-oil-spill-chemical-dispersant

The OP is suggesting an intentional effort to make the Gulf a "total Dead Zone."

I see no reason to attribute to design what is explained handily by greed and incompetence.

I don't see one as better than the other. Whether BP is intentionally doing this or whether they did it intentionally indirectly through their greed and shortcuts and poor practices, the result is the same. Everything is fucked.

When I was a kid, I shot out the window in a spare screen door we had in our garage. I didn't intend to shoot out the window and make the door unusable. What I intended to do was hit the target right next to the door. What I shouldn't have been doing was playing with my BB gun in my grandma's garage, both because she had told me not to do so and because it was stupid. But I did it, and even though I didn't intend it, the glass was just as broken due to my own negligence.

The problem I have with the suggestion in the OP is that, without direct evidence, it serves as a distraction. I'm not trying to pick on the OP either and normally would even have responded, but this is the third time in two days I've seen this question asked, all three times without any actual evidence to support it.

Maybe that was their "backup plan".

I had thought of the same thing.

This same phenomenon goes on in Washington. Extremely rich people at the top just have a completely different idea of life and what is important. Add to this an addiction to wealth. They are conflicted and distracted.

It is not surprising that they would not get to a direct solution, they first have to work through all the options to try and keep access to the oil. They have only thought of seas as places to make cash for so long it just does not register to prioritize the sea itself.

If the sea was a priority they never would have ended up in this place to begin with.

make bank? Who would do something like that?

BP is an oil company and, like any other multinational corporation, accustomed to sending others to do their dirty work on stained soil while they enjoy manicured lawns. They use contractors to shortcut the environmental and safety laws for them. They purchase the whorish political class, so they get the outcomes they want.

Look at what they've done in Ecuador and Nigeria. The United States is now beaten down enough after thirty years of trickle-down economics that BP thinks it can do the same here: "Give us polluted land and water; give us barely livable wages; steal our representative government from us; just leave us with enough to feed the kids, and we'll reward you with the distracted apathy that makes you the ruling class and us the peasants."

Watch this unfold. If the immoral behavior of BP and the incompetent behavior of the federal agencies responsible for preventing and responding to this kind of event go unpunished, then the door is open to any abuse of human health and the environment by the corporate and political classes. Like the indigenous people of Nigeria and Ecuador, the Many will be left with a polluted environment that poisons our children while the Few will take refuge and retire in corners of the Earth that they've preserved for themselves.

Those who willingly follow the American Dream long after it's proven itself a myth.

I'm not sure it isn't too late, anyway. By the time enough see it, we're already screwed.

I've been wondering how this disaster tied into class and you have hit the nail on the head. Excellent post! Thanks.

It seems to me each day more gets ruined the less people are saying drill baby drill and the more skeptical they are about BP

but they still have our money and a license to keep on as well as excellent access to our lawmakers.

The system is rigged and FUBAR.

The best way to stop people from complaining is to not damage the environment.

BP's disaster is just giving people more reason to complain about offshore drilling.

ride it out for a while and sooner or later everyone will forget and there'll be no accountability. As far as a "financial death blow"...that's laughable. They'll probably figure out a way to get a multi-hundred-billion taxpayer dollar government bailout out of this.

Wrong doers are punished and all good dogs go to Heaven.

"Nothing else can really live here so why not drill, baby, drill" could be the thought of those driven by the return on their product.

"Accidents happen" some very sympathetic to the industry remind us over and over.

For your post to be reasonable, one would have to assume that BP is willing to commit corporate suicide to help out all the other oil companies.



Nonsense.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

By the Goldman Sachs administration?

Remember corporations are a legal construct not actual persons. The people with the most to gain might find attractive golden parachutes and/or great new gigs.

The taxpayer, workers, and stockholders take the hit and the crooks keep rolling.

Perhaps they are suicidal, who knows? :shrug:

They seem to have done just fine.

Ain't no justice in the wild wild west.