We need to spend the stimulus to save the Gulf

This is worse, will be worse than a nuclear attack.

The entire world needs to be helping us.

No resource is too great.

I say this after reading about the low likelihood of the Top Kill working.

Worst case, they make a desperate maneuver and blow out the well.

After that we have to wait 2 months for a relief well. A Dead Gulf will follow.

It's insane.

I think Obama does realize this and the implications are enormous.

We need our highly trained military women and men to be HERE AT HOME to help us with a problem much bigger and more deadly than any war.

if you can't/won't drill your own oil, and make yourself dependent on foreign oil, then you are going to of necessity get involved in more wars to determine how those foreign resources are used

this situation is not good for those of us who want peace, quite the contrary

hard to argue that it's wrong to take control of the middle east and try to control those nations and their oil when we are claiming it's too dirty and dangerous to take our own oil

i have been against the war in iraq from day one, i think it was a completely idiotic adventure, but i'd have to be completely oblivious to the reality-based universe to think that if we stop drilling at home we can stop fighting in the middle east

http://www.energybulletin.net/node/13199


The US military oil consumption
by Sohbet Karbuz

The US Department of Defense (DoD) is the largest oil consuming government body in the US and in the world

“Military fuel consumption makes the Department of Defense the single largest consumer of petroleum in the U.S” <1>

“Military fuel consumption for aircraft, ships, ground vehicles and facilities makes the DoD the single largest consumer of petroleum in the U.S”

According to the US Defense Energy Support Center Fact Book 2004, in Fiscal Year 2004, the US military fuel consumption increased to 144 million barrels. This is about 40 million barrels more than the average peacetime military usage.

By the way, 144 million barrels makes 395 000 barrels per day, almost as much as daily energy consumption of Greece.

The US military is the biggest purchaser of oil in the world.

In 1999 Almanac edition of the Defense Logistic Agency’s news magazine Dimensions it was stated that the DESC “purchases more light refined petroleum product than any other single organization or country in the world. With a $3.5 billion annual budget, DESC procures nearly 100 million barrels of petroleum products each year. That's enough fuel for 1,000 cars to drive around the world 4,620 times.”

..more..



http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN20416568



FACTBOX-US military fuel spending
Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:58pm EDT

U.S. military fuel consumption dwarfs energy demand in many countries around the world, adding up to nearly double the fuel use in Ireland and 20 times more than that of Iceland, according to the U.S. Department of Energy.

From the start of the Iraq war in 2003 up till 2007, U.S. military fuel consumption has slipped by about 10 percent, but costs more than doubled due surging oil prices.

Following are the latest figures on the cost and amounts of fuel purchased by the U.S. military over the course of the Iraq war:

U.S. MILITARY FUEL SPENDING:^

2003: $ 5.21 billion

2007: $12.61 billion

Percentage increase: 142 percent

U.S MILITARY FUEL CONSUMPTION

2003: 145.1 million barrels

(397,500 barrels per day)

2007: 132.5 million barrels

(363,000 barrels per day)

Percentage change: -9.5 percent

2007 U.S. MILITARY FUEL CONSUMPTION EQUALS

- 90 percent more than Ireland's annual consumption

- 38 percent more than Israel's annual consumption

- 20 times Iceland's annual consumption

- 1.7 percent of U.S. annual consumption

AVERAGE ESTIMATED CRUDE OIL PRICE PER BARREL:

2003: $32.50

2007: $72.50

CRUDE OIL PRICE CHANGE SINCE BEGINNING OF IRAQ WAR:

March 19, 2003: $ 29.88*

March 19, 2008: $103.25*

Percentage increase: 245 percent


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:kick:

WHERE THE HELL ARE YOU???

The top kill could blow out the well. The BOP is weak. There are so many
varibles they will likely abort. We are probably better off if they do
because of what could happen if the pressure builds up and the BOP can't
hold together. That would MAKE THE RELIEF WELL IMPOSSIBLE TO PULL OFF.

What I'm saying is that our best chance sits 2 months away!

These are the possibilities:

1. The Top Kill works

2. The Top Kill goes wrong and further damages the BOP or worse blows out the well

3. We wait for the relief well and that has a 50% chance of working

In the meantime the air quality could be hazardous, the job losses enormous.

Just imagine how many BILLIONS in losses. Especially if they have to evacuate.

The oil flow COULD BE 5 TIMES GREATER if they screw up the TOP KILL.

I've been told the best minds are at work on this. Too bad BP is at the head of the table. I doubt they will be much longer, then we'll see some progress.

Once the 'we first have to profit' schemes are removed from the discussions, good ideas begin to flow. That's just the way it is. Earth First!

rushing into the Top Kill has got to be okayed by all those smart non-BP people or we could have a blown out well gushing 5x what we have now.

That might also make any relief well efforts impossible.

How did you figure that out? Just a guess, or solid evidence?

:beer:

We could try lowering the price off beer.

Just sayin.

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BP Top Kill Attempt to Seal the Gulf Well
May 23, 2010 | CNN Video

This video explains the next method that BP is putting in place to seal the leaking Gulf of Mexico oil well that has now been leaking for over a month.

TWO MONTHS AT THE EARLIEST... you know that's where it's going...

why should the taxpayer pay? transocean, BP, and perhaps schlumberger made this error, i'm not understanding why the usa taxpayer should be

when you cause an accident thru negligence YOU pay, you don't shrug and tell the person you ran over in your car to beg for $ from the federal gov't or the rest of the world

BP is rich and they can, should pay -- they are rich in talent as well as $$$

exxon pretty much ended up getting a walk on the exxon valdez incident, but i think obama is a little more shrewd, he is forcing BP to stay on the front line and fix this mess

BP etc. can't put the blame all on one drunk employee, they can't just shrug this off, they HAVE to fix it

if there was some magic solution already known elsewhere in the world, trust me, BP would know about it already, YOU'D know about it already

you really think someone knows how to fix this and just hasn't bothered to speak up???? that person would be worth literally millions to BP right now...maybe billions...they wouldn't be sitting at home on their hands

or live to regret it for decades.

Along with that the legal case against BP needs to be leakproof so the USA can strip them of all of their resources.

they are trying to "buy" people off, for instance, a man told me that some of his friends had registered their boats to assist in the effort, and while their boats are on stand-by and not even being used, they're being paid $1,200 a day just to sit on stand-by

that's pay-off money, pure and simple

not that i blame people for taking it, their way of life is being wiped out, they need to grab what they can while they can

the families of the 11 who were killed will be first in line, i'm sure, some of those guys were young or in the prime of life, just lost income from say the 21 year old alone, projected lifetime earnings from working in the oil industry, will be huge...these guys had kids and wives that are not gonna let this die...

Unfortunately... there's almost no way that's going to happen.