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one_voice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 04:01 PM
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They've done everything but...
blow up his birth certificate, put it in neon lights... :rofl:


Bill Clinton Rips Birthers During Yale Commencement Speech (VIDEO)

Former President Bill Clinton called out Birthers during his commencement speech to the Yale class of 2010 -- citing Birthers as an example of what happens when people are only exposed to viewpoints they agree with.

"The only place where we're bigoted now is we only want to be around people who agree with us," Clinton said. "We go to the television stations, we go to the radio talk shows, we go to the blog sites that agree with us. And it can have very bizarre consequences."

The Birther movement is one of these consequences, Clinton said.

"Hawaii, the state were President Obama was born, has done everything they can to debunk this myth that he wasn't born in America. They've done everything but blow up his birth certificate, put it in neon lights and hang it on the dome of the capitol. But 45% of registered Republicans still believe that he is serving unconstitutionally. Why? Because they've been told that by the only place they go to get information."

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/05/bill-clinton-rips-birthers-during-yale-commencement-speech-video.php?ref=fpa
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 04:09 PM
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1. That's the answer! When one has done everything but ...
print it on a kitchen sink!

;-)
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 05:00 PM
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3. Farscape John Criton reference there.
Edited on Mon May-24-10 05:35 PM by RandomThoughts
It is on the sink also.

"Warning, Don't flush corrosives, down the waste tunnel" A comment about helping people, not trying to destroy them, don't get rid of what you think is bad, find a way to help it, if you are right help make it better, and learn from what you thought was bad if you find, from thinking and feeling, that you were wrong.

In other words, don't fix the corruption in many areas by just destroying them, but by helping them to find better ways if you can, and learning the parts of their better ways when you can. Since nobody is all good or all bad.

According to an episode of Farscape, although it has some reversals in it, and note the bad side thinks it is magnificent, why it is an illusion wanting light from outside, instead of the light from inside. Although it also has the concept that many people think they are superior. One of the best episodes.

It is funny, but not sure I agree with much of it :) And it also shows how it starts with negativity, then it moves to thought, and correcting problems. When in the negative influence they just hurt each other. Then when they work together it is pretty good :)

Crackers Don't Matter Part 4.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTRIGZAAbn8

:D

It is pretty funny :)

(not about the oil spill, about the metaphor of ways to make things better, bring everyone up, not push people down because some person thinks someone else is corrosive :) )


And yes the hint was obvious, but for me it is about the comments :)
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 06:32 PM
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4. Breaking up financial systems, or broken systems is not destroying them.
Edited on Mon May-24-10 06:33 PM by RandomThoughts
Breaking up banks is not destroying, that is a thought in material form. Some corporation broken in half being called destruction, is thinking on a low level without the intent and changes such things can bring.

By breaking up monopoly or secret systems, then the lack of moderation, and the causes of corruption from consolidations and secrecy gets less, thereby bringing up the people working in those corporations.

If a person has to act in bad to be part of a system, then breaking up that system is making good for people in that system, by giving alternatives to systems by many systems, and regulation setting base lines of behavior by law.

The concept of private sector makes some sense, but not when it is not balanced by systems that allow the people in those groups to be able to do without having to do bad based on most views of what bad is.

Breaking up banks would be destruction if you think in material methods, but would be building if thinking in other methods.

If you think about the people trained and made to act in ways that are bad to be able to be in those systems, then regulating them with a base line and creating transparent competition with value for better action, is creating something new that helps people in those systems.

Although much of it is perspective of what is better.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 04:41 PM
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2. He makes a good point.
There is a concept of marginalizing groups by giving them information meant to marginalize them. That effect can also be what people do to themselves when not looking for many ideas and thoughts, and thinking and feeling on them, but instead just think on one view.

And sometimes it is fear that keeps a person from listen to other views, if you are sure in your beliefs, then inspecting many thoughts should strengthen you. If you think and feel on the thoughts, you should find the best conclusion, so different thoughts wont create any problems, yet can help in areas where a person is not completely correct. And sometimes you can find better ways of thinking and feeling yourself.

Listening to opinions that do not match your own opinion takes courage. Fear of having some views that could be wrong can be an inhibitor to learning.

Great comment on the non zero sum gain, and game theory, find a way for everyone to move up, not the concept of putting someone down makes you some opposite equally higher.

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