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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:25 PM
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Text of the DADT "Compromise" between Hill & White House . . .Loads of nebulous "ifs and whens"
Edited on Mon May-24-10 09:50 PM by Bluebear
Yes, indeedy, this will change a lot of lives. If and when the studies are ever agreed to and 'unit cohesion' can be guaranteed. And Military readiness! And recruiting! Whatever. We could have just waited for the military "study" for all this does.
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TEXT OF BILL AT LINK

via John Aravosis

After talking to a number of sources, it seems that what was proposed by the Hill, and agreed to by the White House, is the following - I'm summarizing the document above, which is the latest version of the compromise being discussed

The House and Senate will pass legislation this year that provides that "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" will be considered repealed if and when the following happens:

1. The Secretary of Defense receives the "study."
2. The President, the Secretary of Defense, and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs certify that:
- They have considered the recommendations in the study
- DOD has prepared the necessary policies and regulations needed to implement a repeal
- The implementation of the repeal is consistent with the standards of military readiness, military effectiveness, unit cohesion, and recruiting and retention.

Current policy will remain in place until the above conditions are satisfied. And if the above conditions are never satisfied, the current DADT policy will remain in place.

There is nothing in the legislation that says the repeal must happen. Read More...

http://gay.americablog.com/

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UPDATE

Joe and I are still talking to various folks, behind the scenes, to try to figure out what we think of this. At first blush, I will make one point. If we don't accept this compromise, then it is very likely that nothing will happen on DADT for several years to come. Simply because we are going to lose seats in the fall congressional elections, and possibly even lose the House. Both scenarios mean nothing will likely happen for years to come.

If we do accept this proposal, it at least preserves the option for repeal next year (via administrative action).

I'm still thinking this through, in terms of how much I do or don't support this proposal. But I do know that this proposal preserves the option to repeal next year. Not accepting it pretty much kills repeal next year, and for years to come. And the administration would probably like nothing better than for us to walk and just let this die.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:40 PM
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1. I'm just hoping this results in some kind of good news
Edited on Mon May-24-10 09:41 PM by xchrom
Sooner rather than later.

But oily, slippery ifs and whens are very typical of
this admin.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:41 PM
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2. The buzzwords are worrisome. "Unit cohesion" etc.
That's the excuse they always use to kick the can down the road. And nothing in here about suspending discharges while this all takes place.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:46 PM
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6. Sounds like another cynical little bit of triangulation.
I swear, these people could school Bill Clinton himself.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 10:38 PM
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27. +1
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:43 PM
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3. Obama never ceases to disappoint
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:44 PM
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4. We'll hear that the repeal MUST be done "the right way" anytime now.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:47 PM
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8. YOU JUST WNAT HIM TO RULE BY DECRE LIKE BUSH DID!1!!!
:mad:
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:45 PM
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5. JOHN ARAVOSIS NEVER REALLY LOVED HIM!1!!!111!
:cry:
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:46 PM
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7. Some links for the naysayers
Edited on Mon May-24-10 09:48 PM by stevenleser
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:48 PM
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9. HRC, oh now I feel better. PS, instead of calling people, "naysayers", care to address the concerns?
Edited on Mon May-24-10 09:48 PM by Bluebear
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:48 PM
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10. Glad I could help
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:49 PM
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13. Any comment on the objections?
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:50 PM
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15. See #12
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:49 PM
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12. You mean like this?
1. They have the votes
2. The current Chairman of the Joint Chiefs is on board. His statement in February:
"...repeal "comes down to integrity – theirs as individuals and ours as an institution."
3. The current Secretary of Defense is on board.

Estimates are that the Pentagon will take no more than half a year to implement.

How's that?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:51 PM
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16. "Estimates" lol...How many more discharges in the meantime?
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 10:01 PM
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22. LOL, as opposed to all of the facts you are providing? As in none?
I'll leave the job of researching how many potential discharges are in progress to you. While you are at it, please also research how many discharges would happen between Jan 1, 2011 and Jan 20, 2016 if it was not repealed this year. - Thanks
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 10:03 PM
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24. Pretty rude for a "hot national pundit", ain't ya? Just as long as you're not affected.
Edited on Mon May-24-10 10:04 PM by Bluebear
/ignored go peddle it on FOX
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 10:06 PM
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25. The funny thing is, I'm the one celebrating the repeal of DADT and you are the one saying it is bad
Right? This repeal of DADT is a bad thing then? Because that is what I am getting from you.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 10:51 PM
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28. 12/1/2010 is the last possible date
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:49 PM
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14. You ungrateful little nelly! n/t
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:53 PM
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18. At least we got an Organizing For America pundit this time.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:56 PM
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19. We really should try to be more grateful.
And pragmatic, too. Really pragmatic.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 10:08 PM
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26. I'm not inclined to be a tackling dummy for "yaysayers" lol
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 10:01 PM
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23. Really? Where? n/t
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:48 PM
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11. Repealing DADT is one thing...
Including affirmative language that clearly states that gays and lesbians can openly serve is another. And what about bisexuals and trans? Have you seen the suggested language?

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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:53 PM
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17. DU straights will NEVER understand those nuances. Nt
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:58 PM
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20. Few can even understand why equating sexual orientation with preferred fucking techniques
is offensive.

Let's not get carried away here.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:59 PM
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21. oh
you'll pardon me if I celebrate later?
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 04:30 AM
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29. Putting actual implementation of new policy off gives the Repukes a chance to win seats in November
Edited on Tue May-25-10 04:32 AM by Lyric
at which point the White House can sadly inform us that they "just don't have the votes", and then use the issue as a 2012 election slogan ("We repealed DADT!") without any risk of being criticized for actually letting gay people openly serve.

Brilliant strategerizing there, Rahm.

*sigh*
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 04:35 AM
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30. Military: "Sorry, the study says no!" Congress: "Oh well, we tried" Obama: "Yes, we can!"
And nothing ends up changing.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 02:16 PM
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31. Bingo! n/t
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