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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 11:04 PM
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Nuking the Oil Well
Source: kvue.com

by JIM BERGAMO / KVUE News

kvue.com

Posted on May 24, 2010 at 9:31 PM

Updated today at 10:19 PM

Using a nuclear explosion to contain an oil spill may sound startlingly reckless to many, but the idea may not be that outlandish. One oil-price website reports Russia has used the technique on numerous occasions with a high success rate, and an Austin expert says BP should be strongly considering that option right now.

The latest effort to stop the flow of thousands of gallons of oil into the Gulf of Mexico involves pumping mud and oil into the well. "This is very difficult to do at 16 thousand feet," said Martin Chenevert, PhD. This UT professor specializes in petroleum engineering. He says BP should have a back-up plan and believes there are only two alternatives. "They could still use a chemical explosive, but if they can't, if they can't do that, then the only way is to use some sort of nuclear explosive to close the well in," said Chenevert.

The use of nukes underwater has been met with the expected skepticism.

All I can think of is the 3-eyed fish on the Simpson's series," said Patrick Abbott of Austin. That sentiment was echoed by D.K. Ezekoye of Austin who said, "Yeah I think about the marine life, I think about the fact somebody tosses a stick of dynamite and you see the fish start bubbling up."

Read more: http://www.kvue.com/news/JIM-BERGAMO--KVUE--94792529.html
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 11:33 PM
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1. What about the MOAB and bunker busters?
Why do we have to go nuclear, with all the radioactivity and such? Maybe a shitload of conventional munitions would do the trick?
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 11:42 PM
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3. We don't need to bounce the ground. We need to fuse it.
At least, that's my understanding on why the USSR didn't simply use large amounts of conventional weaponry.
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CLANG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 11:45 PM
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4. MOAB won't work under water
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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 12:00 AM
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5. Exactly. eom
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 09:38 AM
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21. Yeah kinda missing half of the fuel+air bomb equation.
:)

fuel+water doesn't make quite as good of a bomb.
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 11:34 PM
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2. It wouldnt surprise me if they were considering it and to be honest and
te short term effects of a small nuke might be worth it when compared to the long term effects of letting the oil spew out at its current rate, personally though I for one hope they dont need to use a nuke to seal it shut.
Whatever is done I think all 3 companies (BP, Haliburton and Transocean) should have 99% of all profits siezed until all the damage is made right and if that takes 50 years then to damn bad for them and they shouldnt be allowed to weasel out of it.
Furthermore all the executives all the 3 companies who were in charge of the platform up and down the ladder should have to forfeit all their assests as part of the restitution.
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deconstruct911 Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 12:01 AM
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7. That's what should happen but
Where there is devastation there is opportunity. A 99% seizure until payouts in full is bad for a company’s stock price. Now how else would they make a buck?
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 12:54 AM
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13. "Now how else would they make a buck?" Thats their problem, not mine.
Plus on the brightside it might teach other companies that they they had best not try to cut corners themselves.
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Mojeoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 03:04 AM
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18. Seize the Profits!!!!
Damn right.
Oh is that too Commie for Little Rand?
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 12:00 AM
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6. Hmm. But what if it all went horribly wrong. Say, the oil caught fire and the methane ignited.
I don't know anything about this. But I don't trust BP to go fucking around with this sort of thing.
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CLANG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 12:01 AM
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8. Don't worry. BP doeasn't have any nukes.
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 12:09 AM
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10. Heh.
When I read, "BP should be strongly considering that option," in the article I thought, "I'm not sure it's really up to them" unless we've got a more serious proliferation problem than previously thought.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 12:25 AM
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12. That's a good point. But does anyone in the govt know how to precisely lay a nuke into an oil well?
I've heard David Bowie's song about "putting out fire with gasoline," but this sounds like it could turn into us putting out gasoline with fire. It makes me nervous is all I'm sayin'.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 09:44 AM
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23. You don't. You drill a shaft parallel to the leaking well.
Edited on Tue May-25-10 09:47 AM by Statistical
Simple version:
Drill a shaft about 500m deep "near" the leaking well. Insert nuclear device. Tamp the shaft (backfill with material). Detonate the device. The shockwave is now parallel to leaking well. Like squashing a straw between two hands you flatten the well. Rather than single pinch you have a mile wide front where the well collapses. Millions of tons of rock filling the shaft making a seal.

Russians did it at least 5 times. We did some experiments on nuclear demolitions in the 1960s.

Obviously requires some careful planning and analysis to determine the correct amount of force. The advantage of nuclear devices is they have variable yield. You can "dial in" how much force is required.



SADM (Special Atomic Demolotion Munition). A 68kg device has an variable yield of 10 tons & 1000 tons of TNT (1 kiloton). At max yield it is roughly 1/20th the yield of the atomic bombs used in WWII.

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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 12:06 AM
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9. No one in their right mind would consider this.
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 01:00 AM
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14. Actually anyone in their right mind should keep in mind all options.
Hopefully the other ideas will work though so they dont have to resort to using the nuke option but if it comes to down to having to use a small yield one to save the gulf then it might be the price we have to pay.
Keep in mind by small I am talking as small as it is possible with as little radiation as possible and not one of the big ones that they would use to attack major cities in a war.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:33 AM
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19. stop for a moment and listen to yourself.
you are talking about using a nuclear weapon to fix something.

Think that completely through.

A nuclear weapon to fix something.

Say that out loud.

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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 09:45 AM
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25. Actually no a nuclear demolition charge.
Edited on Tue May-25-10 09:45 AM by Statistical


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Atomic_Demolition_Munition

Russian have used similar charges at least 5 times to close "stubborn" blowouts.
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 03:44 PM
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29. Hey I am not thrilled with the prospect myself, hopefully
like I said they wont have to but if they literally cant shut it off any other way they might just have to if they want to even have a chance at saving any of the remaining marine life in the gulf.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 10:09 AM
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32. saving it by irradiating it. nt.
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 01:18 AM
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33. Your concern would valid if we were discussing
one of the more powerful ones meant to take out entire cities the size of New York but we arent and the oil could do far worse dmg if its allowed to continue at its current rate.
Furthermore no one here is suggesting that the nuke option is the best plan rather it would and should only be an "if all else fails" type thing where there is no other way to cut the oil off from leaking before the oil wipes out the marine life in the gulf.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:11 AM
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34. big or small radiation is radiation. nt
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 11:33 AM
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37. My, you must have strong shoulders from all that digging your doing.
I respectfully suggest you put the shovel down and educate yourself further because all radiation is not the same.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 12:22 AM
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11. So far as I know BP is not a nuclear power...unless they are using a policy of nuclear ambiguity...
And what would be the ecologial impact?

I mean, they could run it like a test, drill a deep shaft, put the bomb in the shaft, fill it iwth concrete, and set it off so that subsidance destroyis teh well architecture, but that takes time.

Anybody know how this is done. Would Obama want to be the second sitting U.S. President to use nuclear weapons in anger.
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Lagomorph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 01:10 AM
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15. The Russians have done it several times???
What the Heck?
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 09:50 AM
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27. A little info
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pa28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 02:54 AM
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17. "set it off so that subsidance destroyis teh well architecture"
I don't know that we would want the lol cats in charge of deciding the issue but an engineering study could be in order. The risks might be outweighed by the benefits.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 09:48 AM
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26. How would that be classified as "in anger"?
Unless you tied the BP executives to the device.

Lastly it wouldn't be a nuclear weapon. It would be a nuclear demolition charge.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 01:14 AM
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16. Unpredictable results. Could make matters worse.
The Russians do not exactly have a stellar record on environmental disasters or of telling the whole truth about them.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 09:18 AM
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20. The nuclear option?? I think everyone is still keeping their powder dry.
:evilfrown:
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 09:39 AM
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22. Beyond stupid
:eyes:
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 09:45 AM
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24. Nothing will happen until their Replacement Well...err 'relief well'
is completed.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 09:53 AM
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28. This would be the last resort if the relief wells fail.
BP is currently drilling 2 wells and should make the connection sometime in mid August. In the event they decide to use one they will likely need to send it down one of the relief wells and explode it deep underground. It's a last resort at best.
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 10:06 PM
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30. "It's a last resort" Exactly!!
Lets all just hope it doesn't come to that.
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 10:08 PM
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31. What kind of wave would that ignite 1 mile under water?
?
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:19 AM
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36. Oh joy...
A flaming Tsunami :P :sarcasm:
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:13 AM
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35. If the oil cartel has vested interest in this awful idea-it'll be considered.
:mad:
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