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flying rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 05:24 AM
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I think the US isn't taking over the gusher response
from BP, because the government isn't sure it could handle it (lack of technology, expertise or even a plan). Once they kick BP out of the driver's seat it becomes the fault of the administration for not solving the problem, and allows BP to point back and say "it was under control until the government took over". I am not saying BP is doing anything worthwhile, but I think that this clusterfuck of epic proportions is ultimately being mismanaged by the CYA principle. In which case we all lose.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 05:28 AM
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1. Does anyone here think the Gov't could be in charge of the clean up of beaches and the ocean?
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 05:46 AM
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2. Yes. They should be in charge of how it's done and who does it.
Then send BP the bill.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 07:26 AM
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10. Yes they should be in charge. BP needs to be paying for it
and working on plugging the well and the government needs to use everyone at it's disposal for clean up.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 07:45 AM
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13. Yes, just like they did during the Exxon Valdez spill
During the Exxon Valdez spill, the Army Corps of Engineers ran the clean up then billed Exxon for it.
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 06:23 AM
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3. Once Obama said BP et al had to pay to clean up the mess, he can't really have the gov't
take over. Otherwise BP et al will claim that they don't have to pay because the gov't didn't so what they would've done and somehow what they would've done would've been cheaper and would've worked. Of course it might not have actually worked, but if we interfere it gives them a legal way out of paying for it all.

Additionally, even on Rachel tonight, it is being said the only known way to deal with a problem like this is a relief well, and it's being drilled. Everything else is hope and faith, which to date hasn't worked.

I'm more upset that deep-water-drilling is continuing and expanding apparently with Obama Administrations blessing even after finding out that "spills" cannot be contained or stopped in a reasonable amount of time.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 06:24 AM
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4. Please point me to the exact wording in the law that states because BP has to pay that they
get to control the clean up.

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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 06:27 AM
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5. It was a presidential demand, not a law. Unless there is something
in the EPA superfund type regulations that might cover it.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 06:36 AM
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6. Taking over abrogates BP of all liability, too.
He doesn't want to make the US taxpayer responsible for paying for the mess.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 07:35 AM
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11. It does not, and you know it.
We've already gone over this countless times with you. Are you just thick?
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droidamus2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 06:36 AM
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7. The point
At this point it is not productive to worry about finger pointing and who is 'to blame' or even worry about who is ultimately going to pay for it. We need BP, the government and for that matter the rest of the world to be focused on stopping the gusher and doing what they can to clean up. The blame game and worrying about political ramifications just means they sit around with their heads up their collective asses and get nothing done. If it is demonstrated that BP is incapable of fixing this at what point does society say 'lets bring together all the experts we can from where ever they come from and see if we can find a solution'. Besides the fact that we all know BP is going to do everything they can to minimize how much this is going to cost them as far as reparations.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 06:50 AM
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8. I've said it before, I'll say it again
Edited on Tue May-25-10 07:04 AM by WeDidIt
In every case where deep water drilling lead to a blowout, they tried everything BP has tried and plans to try.

It did not work.

In every case the only thing that worked was a relief well.

Better get used to the idea it will be gushing until September.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 06:56 AM
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9. Let's press our thumbs that the top kill
doesn't worsen the situation. Make that August. ;-)

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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 07:43 AM
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12. It's not about technology, expertise or even a plan
It is about the effort being managed by people looking out for the common good. BP could care less about the common good.
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