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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:15 AM
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Durbin is on MSNBC clarifying the "new permits" issued to drill. According to
him, no new have been issued.

The permits in question are related to current drilling for safety reasons. The drilling is under the ocean floor, and if an obstacle is encountered that necessitates an adjustment, a permit is required to make that adjustment. Those are the permits that have gotten all the attention.

I don't know if it's BS, an attempt to calm the raging masses or the actual truth.

I couldn't understand why Obama would impose a moratorium then go ahead and allow new permits to be approved - he knows he'd be busted if he were lying. So this explanation makes sense -- they're 'new' permits, but for continuing ongoing operations. I hope that's accurate.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:19 AM
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1. The EPA said as much during a recent press conference,
saying that these new permits amounted to modifications of current ones.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:21 AM
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2. It's good to have in formation from a credible source.
It's difficult when there are so many writers who tell half the story and cry wolf.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:31 AM
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6. And a lot of those "writers" are actually bloggers,
Edited on Tue May-25-10 11:37 AM by janx
some of whom have their own agendas. Remember that anybody can post on the intertubes. ;-)

THEN there's the fact that some people don't possess good critical reading skills. If you go back to the New York Times article about this that set quite a few people off yesterday, you'll see what I mean.

Edited to add...
Here's the link:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/24/us/24moratorium.html?hp
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chowder66 Donating Member (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:25 AM
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3. at the news conference yesterday....
Carol Browner stated that the permits are more like modifications to existing permits and that NO NEW HOLES were being allowed per Obama. I'm paraphrasing but in essence that is what she was getting at. 2 new drilling sites that got through just after the explosion have been halted and no new drilling is permited.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:27 AM
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4. Thanks - I missed that (obviously). This is a relief. nt
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:28 AM
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5. This has been posted previously
...and not believed.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:42 AM
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8. I missed it. And I had wondered, too. Isn't it sad that we're at the time/place
that when we hear a statement we immediately wonder if it's a lie or coverup? :(

It DOES make sense, actually more sense to me than saying one thing and so blatantly doing another when it's a given a lie will be caught and exposed.

And I think this can be either proven or disproven, too. I'll go look for the post you're referring to.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:33 AM
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7. Before the explosion, BP was operating on a modified bypass permit.
To see the absurdity of the Administration’s definition of a moratorium on "new permits," but not "modifications," recall what the Times story reported about what the Deepwater Horizon rig was doing:

Among the types of drilling permits that the minerals agency is still granting are called bypass permits. These allow an operator to drill around a mechanical problem in the original hole to the original target from the existing wellbore.

Five days before the explosion, the Deepwater Horizon requested and received a revised bypass permit, which was the last drilling permit the rig received from the minerals agency before the explosion. The bore was created and it was the faulty cementing or plugging of that hole that has been cited as one of the causes of the explosion.


In other words, the actions that led to BP’s catastrophic blowout, explosion and spill were all undertaken under a permit <"modication"> the Administration now says is exempt from the moratorium. So if a catastrophe had occurred at a different, previously approved well, instead of on Deepwater Horizon, and a moratorium had been imposed in response to that other disaster, the Administration’s so called "moratorium" would still have allowed a permit to the Deepwater Horizon activities that caused the real catastrophe.

Or to put it another way, the MMS is continuing to issue new permits to drillers to engage in further new activities that are identical to risky activities that led to the BP oil disaster. That’s essentially what the Times reported, but now we have the Administration admitting this absurd and reckless policy is exactly what they meant when they misled the public about a "moratorium."


http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/50502
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:47 AM
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9. Thanks for this. Very informative. More than Durbin was. :-) nt
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:57 AM
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11. There's more opinion than information there, I think. n/t
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 12:21 PM
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12. So the NY Times was reporting opinion?
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 12:28 PM
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14. I wasn't referring to the New York Times.
Sorry if that wasn't clear.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:50 AM
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10. sounds like Durbin is being slick
call him Slick Dick.
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chowder66 Donating Member (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 12:22 PM
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13. Looming battle to lift moratorium...
http://money.cnn.com/2010/05/24/news/economy/offshore_drilling/

"The safety review is due this Friday, and the Obama administration will use it to help decide when and how drilling should resume."
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 12:46 PM
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15. Thanks for posting this. n/t
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 02:00 PM
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16. So these aren't new projects and Durbin's statement is accurate.
Thanks.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 02:05 PM
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17. Ellen Ratner validated this on Thom Hartmann's show today. nt
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 02:07 PM
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18. A DUer posted that a couple weeks ago and was ridiculed.
Turns out he was right.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 02:41 PM
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19. Are they boring a new hole? Then that is new drilling. I want ALL off shore production shutdown
They are still drilling another hole, what possible difference does it make that they already had permission and now need to readjust due to obstacles? That's pure semantics.
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