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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 03:27 PM Original message |
Reminder - Obama CANNOT use executive order to stop DADT |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
1. They don't care. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
22. Those evil gay soldiers coming home from a war zone and losing their health benefits. |
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krawhitham (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 07:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
83. +1 |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
2. Arguably, however, he can stop the discharges. |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 03:30 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Yup. |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 03:34 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. How can he do that? |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. He can't repeal the law, but as commander-in-chief he's in charge of implementation. |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 03:54 PM Response to Reply #10 |
20. As the chief executive, that would be impossible. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 03:57 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Then why have DADT explusions increased under his command? |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. You think Obama personally tosses Gays out of the army? |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:06 PM Response to Reply #20 |
37. And he gets to decide how he executes it. |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:12 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. I truly wish it were that easy. |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:17 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. Presidents (and other executives) do it all the time. |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:21 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Discretion does not equal failure to execute. |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. That's the point, though, it wouldn't be saying that being openly gay isn't a dischargeable offense. |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:29 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. Now you're making my point. |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:49 PM Response to Reply #60 |
74. We are going in circles here, and I see little point in continuing. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 03:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. So why has the military restricted the discharge process? |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 03:41 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. The military made it a little harder, but it did not render the policy "non-existent" |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:32 PM Response to Reply #14 |
62. Wouldn't that render DADT non existent? |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 03:44 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. I just read a rundown of Truman's abolition of segregation in the army |
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Mojeoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. The Discharges MUST STOP!!! |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 03:40 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Totally agree. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
4. The law itself allows him to suspend discharges |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 03:37 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Correct! nt |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
24. +1 |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
40. I've heard that claim, but wouldnt that be interfering with the execution of federal law? |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 06:55 AM Response to Reply #40 |
91. National Security |
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namahage (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 07:24 PM Response to Reply #91 |
100. Wrong way to read that. |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
5. And putting the screws to Congress is out of the question |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 03:40 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. I'm all for pressuring congress into abolishing DADT, but |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #12 |
27. You mean other than the nothing he's doing now? |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:02 PM Response to Reply #27 |
35. What more do you suggest he do? |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #35 |
46. What is he doing now? |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:27 PM Response to Reply #46 |
59. Plenty. Is it enough? We'll know when we can say bye bye to DADT. |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #59 |
72. Yes he is doing planty AGAINST the over turning of this bigotted law. |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:52 PM Response to Reply #59 |
75. You demanded specifics from me |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #5 |
28. +1. Well, can't expect him to be a leader. He's just a luke-warm corporate apparatchik. |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
6. Even if he could it wouldn't stick. It would last as long as the |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
15. He can certainly stop people's careers from being ruined until it is repealed |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
17. No one ever said he could |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Oh they sure as hell did, and do. Several times. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 03:54 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Why so angry? |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #18 |
30. It REALLY bothers you that gay people are upset by having non-equal rights, doesn't it? |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:04 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. It really bothers me that some people don't like facts. |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:12 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. the FACT is that he CAN sstop the discharges and he CHOOSES not to |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Obama a bigot and or a coward? Wow. |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:18 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. He is one or the other. Either he WANTS the GBLT people fired for being gay |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:23 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Black and white much? |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:42 PM Response to Reply #54 |
70. Is it YOUR rights that he is actively working against? |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 06:53 PM Response to Reply #43 |
97. EPIC FAIL! Take your own medicine, Doc! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
19. He can stop the discharges immediately. |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. some people dont care that gays are being kicked out, sad as that is nt |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. And forget about the people enduring abuse that can't come forward. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. Stop! You'll make DU "look bad"!!!!1 |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 07:00 AM Response to Reply #19 |
93. +1 eom. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 06:57 PM Response to Reply #19 |
99. A-fucking-men, EFerrari |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
26. The misinformation is yours as usual. He could stop discharges NOW |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:07 PM Response to Reply #26 |
38. No, he couldn't. Research the meaning of "chief executive". |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #38 |
51. He could stop the discharges and the destruction of careers RIGHT NOW |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. No, he really couldn't. That would be failure to execute the law. |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:39 PM Response to Reply #55 |
67. He could legally put a stop to the discharges, he CHOOSES not to |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:40 PM Response to Reply #55 |
68. Read the Palm Center report. It's linked in this thread. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 07:05 PM Response to Reply #68 |
81. Well who are you going to believe QC? |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 08:02 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. Maybe the OP got all this scoop from his "craigslist" pal we keep hearing about. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 08:20 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. I hear the "Rants and Raves" section on there is offering online degrees now. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 07:14 AM Response to Reply #84 |
95. personal attack central |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:48 PM Original message |
The fact is that as usual you haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
33. ' neck vein bulging disdain for Obama ' - dramatic. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
34. I'm going to log off for a while, but I really don't ever ever again want to hear |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Strawman. That was never said. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Strawman, my granny. That's the implication. And, fyi, it's not "my case", |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:18 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Implication is what you inferred from it. And made it a strawman. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 05:47 PM Response to Reply #48 |
77. Bulleria. Of course he can stop the discharges. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 05:48 PM Response to Reply #48 |
78. 'failing to execute the law of the land' - LIKE PROSECUTING TORTURERS. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 05:56 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Prosecuting them? What about, just firing the ones active at Bagram? |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:21 PM Response to Reply #34 |
53. Yet the same people never pass up a chance to scold those whining gays. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 06:03 PM Response to Reply #53 |
80. There are the same people who criticized Martin for speaking out against Viet Nam. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
45. Palm Center report. |
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Lone_Star_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:19 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Some people just want to ignore that there are venues other than an executive order |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:34 PM Response to Reply #50 |
64. Most of this thread is about stopping discharges. |
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Lone_Star_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:48 PM Response to Reply #64 |
73. Perhaps you should read the post I responded to? |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
57. As much as you would wish otherwise, you're simply wrong |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
58. He can use a stop loss order to suspend discharges and investigations... |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:31 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. They havent "proved" anything. They have claimed it. |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:34 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. Presidents have discretion when it comes to HOW laws are enforced... |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 09:55 PM Response to Reply #65 |
88. :crickets: |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
63. so, you gays just sit down and shut up. |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:35 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Our old friend Hy Perbole. Glad you made it. |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:42 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. i have neck vein bulging disdain for condescension. |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
69. What a surprise, another tired old apologist thread...pathetic... |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 07:12 PM Response to Reply #69 |
82. Yep- another case of Obama über alles |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
76. What part of the law specifically gives Obama the authority to suspend discharges? |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 08:26 PM Response to Reply #76 |
86. Because he's either a coward or a bigot. Read the Palm Center report links |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 08:37 PM Response to Original message |
87. REMINDER - HAVE YOU CALLED AKAKA? |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 01:02 AM Response to Reply #87 |
90. :tumbleweed: |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
89. What makes anybody here think that The Prez actually wants DADT to end? |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 06:58 AM Response to Reply #89 |
92. Not sure |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 07:07 AM Response to Reply #89 |
94. To use the Wizard of Oz analogy, "I think Todo has pulled back the curtain." |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 06:55 PM Response to Reply #94 |
98. But witness how many DUers are still asleep in the poppy fields. |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 07:16 AM Response to Original message |
96. Are you calling Speaker Pelosi a liar? |
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