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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:23 PM
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I'm going to make this suggestion as politely as I can
If you are not an engineer or other pertinent expert in the field, please do not make speculatory posts about what you think you saw on the Top Kill camera.

I am not an expert either, so I will heed my own advice as well.
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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:24 PM
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1. +1000 way too logical for this group
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:52 PM
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50. I thought we were a smart bunch. Smart enough to change the world. nt.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:24 PM
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2. That said, I don't think an amorphous sea monster attack can be ruled out.
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tallahasseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:32 PM
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20. Totally...
Edited on Wed May-26-10 09:33 PM by tallahasseedem
please alert us if you see it!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:34 PM
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25. Y'all will be the first to know. I can SENSE the thing out there right now!
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:25 PM
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3. You mean there hasn't been a catastrophic new Blowout on the BOP?
That it's just muddy water obscuring the view?

:P
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:26 PM
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5. Happened repeatedly last night while we watched the robots
It's like the wind direction changing during a sand storm :shrug:
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:27 PM
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9. Obviously it was having blowout before the mudding began. n/t
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:31 PM
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17. Good analogy.
three new OPs are claiming a possible new blowout.

:eyes:
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:33 PM
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22. OMG!11111!!!
what are we having a blowout on? plasma TVs? :evilgrin:
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:25 PM
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4. Anyone interested in what the experts in the field have to say can "tune in" right here:
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6511#comments_top
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:29 PM
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14. Nah, those people use big words and science-y sounding stuff
that actually means something. Too dull for my tastes...
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D-Lee Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:35 PM
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26. Wow -- great info at that link. Thanks! nt
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:38 PM
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34. A number of other threads on the site that provide information on the top kill effort
Among other things related to the spill.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:45 PM
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40. Thanks!!! Interesting!!! n/t
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profgoose Donating Member (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 10:38 PM
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64. thanks for that link--and here's a list of all the germane TOD posts if you're interested...
Heading Out (Dave Summers) has done some wonders.

Here's some more of the links, if you're interested:

Heading Out's read thus far on the procedure (good) "Deepwater Oil Spill - Permissions and Concerns about Top Kill": http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6513 (go all the way to comments--good stuff in there too...)

Live blogging link with all the engineers, geologists and oil geeks in the comments: http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6511

And other relevant links to top kill procedure:

Deep Water Spill - Waiting for Top Kill
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6509

The Gulf Deepwater Oil Spill - the Top Kill Attempt
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6505

The Gulf Deepwater Oil Spill, barriers, flow rates, and top kill
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6501
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:26 PM
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6. Too logical
That just won't fly around here. ;)
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:26 PM
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7. Based on the experts on DU, the BOP has blown up 17 times in the past 24 hours
...
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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:29 PM
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13. lol
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:37 PM
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30. +1, n/t
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tallahasseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:37 PM
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32. LOL!
:thumbsup:
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:26 PM
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8. Easy for you to say.
I'm absolutely certain I saw a giant squid prying the cap off the oil well with its tentacles. Don't tell me otherwise; I know what I saw. Really.
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tallahasseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:35 PM
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27. Damn squids...
They are the WORST attention seekers EVAH!
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:38 PM
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33. They do that because they forget where they stashed their weed. It's hell on SOSUS. n/t
PB
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:52 PM
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47. I believe you because you spelled tentacles correcly.
A sure sign of those in the know.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 12:37 PM
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70. And with its chromatophores, it was flashing out a message ...
Calimari is PEOPLE!! It's PEOPLE!!
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:02 PM
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75. I wish I had chromatophores.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:27 PM
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10. And in any case, I more than half suspect that Dr. No is involved.
He is one crafty sonofabitch, that Dr. No.

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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:28 PM
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11. You know, that's the way I feel when I hear people talk about their health...
... Granted some people get sick, regardless of how they take care of themselves, but then there are those who defy basic biology.

Let the puppies breath, even if they're not experts. I think we're all a little wired with our poor mother earth, and we just don't know what to say, but we have to say something.
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tallahasseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:29 PM
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12. Thank you bluestateguy!
I'm loving those few rational DUers tonight!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:30 PM
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15. BUT WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!! Tm, is fun!
By the way agreed with you. As I said in another similar op, my expertise goes as far as those are thingies on the thingyjamobie.

I understand some of the fluid physics involved at a VERY BASIC level, and the pressure, but only because I paid attention not in physics lab, but later on in training. When you work with pressures all them pesky theories start to make SOME sense.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:30 PM
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:40 PM
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36. I remember people having similar apocalyptic views about the H1N1 flu as well
and the Iceland volcano.

This is a very serious matter, but alarmism does not solve problems.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:51 PM
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46. "The end is near" has always been a big draw.
Every month there is a crisis, and every month we manage to slog through it.

It's good to stay current on these events, but also good to stay rational about it, no matter how bad it is. We will get past this, and when the gusher is finally stopped, the hard work continues beyond the plugging. Life is a process, not an event.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:32 PM
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18. Oh, stuff it
I want to know what everyone sees.

A face maybe?

The Blessed Virgin?
A guy with an umbrella on a grassy knoll?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:32 PM
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21. Oh praise the lord, will need to check my toast in the mornign
:-)
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:32 PM
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19. This is like watching open heart surgery on a loved one....
I'm going to cut people a bit of slack and then try to calm and investigate rather than scold.
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charlesg Donating Member (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:33 PM
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23. I just saw Jesus
maybe the Virgin Mary moving around
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 10:10 PM
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58. No that was Waldo
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:33 PM
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24. But, so many DU nuclear physicists have advised a nuke bomb
be used to close it down. Surely you don't think THEY don't know what in the hell they are talking about!




:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:36 PM
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29. I've never seen DU so pro-nuke before now
It's actually quite amazing. lol
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:44 PM
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38. We should save a few nukes for possible asteroids on a collision course with Earth
Otherwise, get rid of them all.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:47 PM
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42. Interstellar travel
don't forget about that one

:-)
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tallahasseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:44 PM
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39. I have never seen so many experts at everything on DU!
Shouldn't they be working for the FED? And why are they posting given that they should be down in the gulf directing everyone on their way to keep the gulf from dying!
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:47 PM
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43. Oh there's ALWAYS tons of experts on here
During every event. You can usually flush out who actually knows what the heck they're talking about though. ;)
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:36 PM
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28. I saw more diarrhea than I've seen in an entire lifetime of nursing.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:37 PM
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31. Has anyone seen Obama around lately?
:7
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:40 PM
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35. Well SOMETHING happened, because it screwed up the live feed from Wrigley Field...
And the Dodgers were winning.
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:41 PM
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37. wait...what?
The plume is getting BIGGER AND BIGGER GODAMMIT!!! :P
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jtuck004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:45 PM
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41. The video was on a loop. That's a NEW blowout to report every 8 minutes. ;)
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:50 PM
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44. What fun is that?
This is not a symposium, this is a tavern. Deal with it. People discuss and speculate. This is what people do. That is what keeps a site like this alive.
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likesmountains 52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:50 PM
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45. I changed the oil in my lawn mower last week...that makes me some kind of expert!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 10:18 PM
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63. I fried meatballs in evoo last night. My experience is more recent!
lol
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:52 PM
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48. This is almost as funny as those "Did you see that? Did you see that change?" threads!
:rofl:
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MindandSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:52 PM
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49. Thank you for this sound advice!!!! It really annoys me also to read so many
"interpretations" from so many people, and so many criticism because the matter is not resolved yet (preferably single handedly!) by Obama!

Sounds like, having been elected President should give him all the knowledge and skills of Superman!!!
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 10:13 PM
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60. 'having been elected President should give him all the knowledge and skills of Superman!!!'
Who was talking about President Obama in the OP?
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MindandSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 03:10 PM
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71. No one in the OP. . .but when people don't know where to turn to find blame. . .
It always ends up at the same place!
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:53 PM
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51. I, for one, want wild goddamned speculation. If I wanted to hear the experts talk....
...I'd be reading the news tomorrow. But give me lighting-quick speculation now.

Besides, what expert in Jesus' name is really going to extertain me with the following?

Example:
:graybox: Something floats by the camera. Marrs bar or turd?

:graybox: Did I just see a fish get sucked into the plume too? That's so fucked. That's a metaphor too. We're all that fucking fish. Except worse.

:graybox: It's cloudy. I think something blew up. That's so fucked. We're all that fucking pipe that blew up. Except worse.

I know those last two were kinda similar but I ran out of examples and I didn't want to stop at just two.

See?

You're welcome.

PB
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:59 PM
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54. LOL! :-)
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 03:56 PM
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72. !
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Yeahyeah Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:55 PM
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52. No worries.I took Earth Science.
Edited on Wed May-26-10 10:05 PM by Yeahyeah
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:59 PM
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53. Was it the Giant Squid???
They get pissy when they can't move their furniture, you know.

:evilgrin:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 10:03 PM
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55. I think people like to discuss it, even if they are not so-called experts.
It helps people who are feeling stressful about this calamity maybe talk about it, even if speculating what they see?
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 10:05 PM
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56. Plus a gazillion OMG I have no patience for the self-professed "experts."
Lots of eye-rolling just trying to find out what's going on.
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LeftyFingerPop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 10:08 PM
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57. Why don't you just hide the thread instead of indirectly calling out other DUers? n/t
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 10:12 PM
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59. Exactly. It isn't "indirect"---it is a blatant elistist "We're better than them" smug thread.
Edited on Wed May-26-10 10:12 PM by bobbolink
Doesn't it add a whole lot to the general atmosphere of peace?

:eyes:
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LeftyFingerPop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 10:17 PM
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62. I personally like seeing the speculation threads...
I have about 6 tabs opened when I am surfing DU, including the live feed. I like it when someone calls my attention to something unusual that has happened. :hi:
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 10:42 PM
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66. I hope you caught the Robot Sex Hot Action last night
when they switched off the wrench flawlessly it was breathtaking.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 10:16 PM
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61. Fuck the experts. And fuck anyone who tries to shut the rest of us up.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 10:41 PM
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65. If you had seen the Robot Hot Action last night
you'd know why we hang on every development.. we're bonded.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 10:55 PM
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67. Don't discuss politics unless you have a Political Science Doctorate.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 11:07 PM
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68. +1.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 12:37 AM
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69. It's a bloomin' discussion board, for cryin' out loud.
sheesh. If we had to be experts on what we were posting about, all you'd hear around here are crickets. lol
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:09 PM
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76. agreed. Let people speculate. what's the harm?
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 04:18 PM
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73. OK, I think I saw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kc-cFnbCWQ&feature=PlayList&p=ED1BA23FFF1FEA03&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=13
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 04:21 PM
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74. BP has experts, and look where it got us.
Just like because we know BP lies, and therefore the opposite of everything they say is 100% fact, anything that has to do with expertise on anything should not be taken into consideration.
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