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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 06:18 AM
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So Republicans believe in Socialism after all
Edited on Thu May-27-10 06:20 AM by Cyrano
I guess the major oil disaster in the Gulf has a way of focusing the mind. What ever happened to Republican beliefs like pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps, rugged individualism, and states rights? It seems that Republicans have dumped all that stuff and become Socialists.

Look at their calls for federal intervention. Watch them scurrying to get in front of a camera and blame Obama for not "taking charge." Have they lost all confidence in “the magic of the marketplace?” Don’t they believe that BP can end the disaster because they are unregulated?

Actually, there’s nothing new or surprising about Republican hypocrisy. It’s just amazing that those who constantly vote for them don’t seem to notice when the label on the bottle of snake oil is changed from “Free Markets” to “Socialism.”
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 06:25 AM
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1. Exactly...
.. I was listening to a radio show that I thought was about investing a couple weeks ago, called Wall Street Shuffle.

The bozo on there started pontificating about how the Federal government was showing feet of clay and how this was "just like Katrina".

I about fell out of my chair. These people are truly the stupidest of the stupid, or they are pandering to an audience of such. It's really unbelievable.

First, they gut all regulation, continually float the meme that government can't do anything, and the moment their interests are threatened they do a 100% about face. These people truly have no guiding principles at all.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 07:07 AM
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2. Privatize profits. Socialize losses.
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Texas Socialist Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 01:22 PM
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3. what I do when a right winger uses the word "socialism" as a pejorative term
Here's what I do when a right winger uses the word "socialism" as a pejorative term to characterize progressive institutions such as our system of social insurance, the minimum wage, the auto bailout, the stimulus bill, wealth redistribution, etc.

Instead of defending myself, or the institution, against the charge of "socialism", I own the word.

I say, hell yes, of course I'm a socialist. This is a Socialist Nation. Americans love Socialism. That's why we have a system of Social Security.

Then, I proceed to point enumerate the many ideas championed by the Socialists which the U. S. has adopted. The platforms of the Socialist and Progressive Parties from the late 1800's to the present contain many good ideas that we have adopted.

For example: Presented below are excerpts from what as known as the Gotha Program of 1871. I have underlined the demands in the program that have been adopted, at least to a degree, by the United States.



The Socialist Labor party of Germany demands as the foundation of the state:

1. Universal, equal and direct suffrage, with secret voting by all citizens at all elections in state or community.
2. Direct legislation by the people. Decision as to peace or war by the people.
3. Common right to bear arms. Militia instead of the standing army.
4. Abolition of all laws of exception, especially all laws restricting the freedom of the press, of association and assemblage; above all, all laws restricting the freedom of public opinion, thought and investigation.
5. Legal judgment through the people. Free administration of law.
6. Universal and equal popular education by the state. Universal compulsory education. Free instruction in all forms of art. Declaration that religion is a private matter.

The Socialist Labor party of Germany demands within the present society:

1. The widest possible expansion of political rights and freedom according to the foregoing demands.
2. A progressive income tax for state and municipality instead of all those existing, especially in place of the indirect tax which burdens the people.
3. Unrestrained right of combination.
4. Shortening of the working day according to the needs of society. Abolition of Sunday labor.
5. Abolition of child labor and all female labor injurious to health and morality.
6. Protective laws for the life and health of the worker. Sanitary control of the homes of the workers. Supervision of the mines, factories, workshops and hand industries by an officer elected by the people. An effectual law of enforcement.
7. Regulation of prison labor.
8. Full autonomy in the management of all laborers' fraternal and mutual benefit funds.


In a nutshell, I flip the table on the right winger and accuse him of holding views that are not those of the majority of Americans.

Then, I go into a little history lecture on the social problems caused by the industrial revolution and how political leaders, including conservatives, designed the institution of Social Insurance/The Welfare State to head off the demand of the Socialists for "the erection of socialistic productive establishments under the democratic control of the laboring people...to place industry and agriculture in such relations that out of them the socialist organization of the whole may arise."

Then, I go into a lecture, most of which I stole from Teddy Roosevelt, about how "neither doctrinaire socialism nor unrestricted individualism will work in the real word and how Americans, including Republicans like Teddy Roosevelt and William Taft, learned that collectivism and individualism must be used as supplementary, not as antagonistic, philosophies.

Does any of the above make sense to anyone?

Thanks

Fred







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