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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:28 AM
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OMG the caller on Stephanie
Edited on Thu May-27-10 08:30 AM by rurallib
his sister killed herself because she was gay and he's blaming himself.
He is really breaking down.
ETA - he is very conservative. Blames his views for helping drive her to suicide.
Stunned me.... so sad
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:30 AM
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1. I know of the caller ..... he was a right hack
Edited on Thu May-27-10 08:33 AM by Botany
And now he feels bad ...... he sees the error of his way
but it is too late. He might of made fun of his sister for being gay.

Jerry from Chicago .... I hope he finds peace.

Steph is showing real love

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RetiredTrotskyite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 01:17 PM
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21. This is So Sad...
Why do people always learn the hard way, and usually at the expense of a loved one's suicide. I thank God every day that my mother finally came round before her death and was very supportive in her last years, and for my spouse's family which has always been supportive.

I hope he does get counselling. He is going to need it--and I hope good will come of it.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:32 AM
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2. Sure sounds like he made her feel guilty about all the time, and
figures it ended up contributing to her suicidal feelings. :(
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:36 AM
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3. Yes, Right-Wing Jerry. It is partly your fault, asshole.
Edited on Thu May-27-10 08:36 AM by Ian David
Maybe he'll learn something from this, and SOMETHING good will come of this tragedy.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:39 AM
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4. I pity you
The man publicly came out on a national show to admit his mistakes and shared
his pain and you call him an asshole.

I pity you.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 09:01 AM
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11. These assholes always "repent" after they've done their damage
Maybe they should try doing it before they kill someone
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 10:33 AM
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17. Or when they have no other choice, like that elderly parent who finally accepted her
gay son when she was close to homelessness and her straight children just couldn't be bothered with their mom, but the gay son, who had always worshipped his mother even though she hated his gayness and condemned his 'lifestyle', opened his home to her, and she asked for forgiveness. He, of course, did so without complaint, but since most of us gay people have seen this story unfold exactly like that many times before, we aren't so forgiving.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 07:07 AM
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29. Remember human empathy.
The lack of it currently is what separates people. Walk tall.
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 07:55 AM
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33. I'm eternally grateful...
that my mom's very old-school, very Catholic parents accepted her. My mom knew she'd never have to worry about what my youngest sister and I thought (middle sister is another story), and that we'd *always* make sure to tkae care of her best interests. But I was concerned that my grandparents wouldn't accept her. They did (and when I say old school, I'm not kidding: 80s, Italian/Spanish Catholic).
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 09:07 AM
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14. His mistakes caused a woman to kill herself. Anger at the asshole is justified.
Forgiveness can come later.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 10:28 AM
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16. Yup.
n/t
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 10:53 AM
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19. Holy shit -- it was Right-Wing Jerry?
His poor sister. And yes, he's still an asshole.
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:43 AM
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5. That call was very intense and sad.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:48 AM
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6. I sent an email to Best of The Left podcast suggesting they use it.
Something good needs to come of this, somehow. Getting this out there will help.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:58 AM
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7. I was just thinking, maybe Stephanie can put Right-Wing Jerry in touch with a counselor?
Someone who will not only help him through his pain, but also help him walk into the light and learn something.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:59 AM
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10. It looks like a caller to the show was just talking about that very thing. n/t
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AldebTX Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:58 AM
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8. He Seemed Very Shaken UP
Its very sad that something has to happen like a suicide to shake them out of their misguided beliefs.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:59 AM
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9. I made a post in the GLBT forum to get some additional attention...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=221x160480
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 09:02 AM
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12. It would be sadder if he still retained his prejudice and felt glad about her death.
He seems to have actual and real contrition and transformation. I'm very sorry about his sister's suicide and wish it never happened. If he can save himself, he may thank God one day for her.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 10:54 AM
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20. I bet he still thinks Jews run the world and the holocaust is a hoax
Another one of his lovely beliefs.
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 09:06 PM
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24. He sounded like all of his beliefs were shaken to the core.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 06:57 AM
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27. I wouldn't assume that "all of his beliefs were shaken to the core."`
He could still be a gay-friendly anti-Semite disciple of Ayn Rand who believes government is evil.

As long as there are Log Cabin Republicans, he can still maintain the rest of his core beliefs and keep the cognitive dissonance from exploding his head.

But the door is open a crack.

Let's just hope he doesn't opt for that suicide hotline run by Catholic Charities that once caller to the show suggested. (Catholic Charities is virulently anti-gay. They're the ones that shut-down their adoption program rather than run the imaginary risk of being forced to place kids with gay parents).
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 07:13 AM
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30. not sure if you listened to the phone call. He was VERY shaken up.
Very afraid of hurting people again. Yes, maybe he was acting and it was all to get a bunch of air time on the radio. But, I'm doubting he's that good of an actor. (BTW, I'm Jewish).
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 07:44 AM
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32. My skepticism centers on whether or not his new-found empathy extends beyond gay people.
Edited on Fri May-28-10 07:44 AM by Ian David
He could be Pro-Gay and Anti-Jewish.

If he has a heterosexual sister who wants to become Jewish, he could still drive HER to suicide, too.

I didn't hear him say he's decided he was wrong about everything and that he's suddenly become a bleeding heart Liberal overnight.

There are plenty of pro-gay conservative thugs. They're called The Log Cabin.

I'm reserving judgment, but willing to help RW Jerry if he shows up here.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 06:54 AM
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26. Well, if we can open Right-Wing Jerry's eyes on THIS issue, maybe the rest can be fixed later.
Right-Wing Jerry should have our support and empathy right now. I, for one, have no sympathy for him, but do feel compassion for his situation. Just not for him, personally.

And that should be enough for us to treat him kindly and make sure he gets the help he needs.
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Raine1967 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 07:22 AM
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31. I think you are thinking about that Crazy Scott guy in Florida.
they no longer take his phone calls.


I feel very bad for Jerry and I hope that he finds comfort. This is all I will say about him.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 10:02 AM
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34. ScottNazi is from Massachusetts. Unless there's another right-wing Scott.
ScottNazi can't even get on the right-wing shows anymore. He's too crazy, even for them.
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Raine1967 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 10:43 PM
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36. Ahh - you could be right, Ian.
I thought that loon was from Florida.

I can't keep most of them together myself, but, Jerry - JErry I knew.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 11:07 AM
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35. Yep, you're right. My bad.
Edited on Fri May-28-10 11:08 AM by jgraz
:blush:
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Raine1967 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 10:45 PM
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37. pff - It's hard to keep these people straight.
Seriously -- they often spew the same taking points -- The trick is to learn the little tells --

oh wait:

I may listen to far to much prog radio... :rofl:

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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 09:04 AM
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13. I don't understand people who simply can't see what the future could be like
when they say and do mean things to the people they're supposed to love. They must believe there is no such thing as consequences.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 09:08 AM
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15. 'treat others as you wish to be treated' It works.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 10:36 AM
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18. I hope there is a ripple effect that reaches people
who don't realize how much it hurts to not be accepted by family.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 01:19 PM
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22. well, I hate to say it, but . ..
that may have been a factor.

Having your family "HATE YOU" because of who you are is even worse than having society at large hate you.

I'm sorry for his loss. And I'm sorry he "feels bad", but maybe this will help him help others to stop being close-minded @ssholes.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 01:57 PM
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23. Hopefully, when he's feeling up to it, he can really "cleanse his soul"
by helping right for the rights of the gays who are still here.

:(
rocktivity
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Dr Morbius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 09:24 PM
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25. For a couple years now, I've detested "right-wing Jerry,"
But he sounded very sincere this morning. I believe his eyes have been opened.

I won't cast stones at him.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 07:03 AM
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28. Me neither. But I won't be inviting him over for Passover Seder, either. At least, not yet.
Edited on Fri May-28-10 07:04 AM by Ian David
Let's wait and see just how much Right-Wing Jerry grows from this.

He COULD become like Donna Milo http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=221x160158

or he could become like Charles Johnson from Little Green Footballs that went from far-right white supremacist to full-blown Liberal seemingly overnight. http://rightwingnews.com/2009/09/the-descent-of-little-green-footballs/

I think, if RW Jerry reaches-out to the Progressive community, how we treat him could be the most important factor.

So, if he shows-up here, or on any of our other message boards, BE NICE TO HIM.
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