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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 03:10 PM
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If this BP spill is chess, Obama is pinned. He can stand with BP, or bite the hand that feeds him
This is why you'll never see a "bullhorn moment" from Obama.

Can you see Obama declaring "war" on the corporations that did this to the good people in the Gulf? Why not? Pretty obvious, right?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 03:11 PM
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1. Fail.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 03:12 PM
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2. Yup...
Sid
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 03:13 PM
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4. I missed the speech where Obama demands retribution from the people who've done this to us.
He can't, right?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 03:14 PM
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7. "I missed the speech where Obama released his birth certificate."
"Why won't he just release his birth certificate."
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 03:13 PM
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3. .
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 03:14 PM
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8. Show me the link to Obama demanding FULL accountability to BP. He can't go to "war" with them.
He's on their team.

Post "fail" and sidestep the debate all you want.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 03:13 PM
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5. He will stand with BP until the job is done..
They have the money and 'need' to clean it up. Once the job is done BP can go back to making a buck.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 03:14 PM
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6. Bullhorn moments are bullshit moments.
Why does anyone think we need one, other then a logical approach?
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 03:16 PM
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9. Maybe the anger down here is more palpable than elsewhere. We just had entire cultures crapped on.
BP killed 11 Americans and will drive countless others to ruin.

Call it primitive, but I'd like to see someone sticking up for us, even if it starts symbolically.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 03:19 PM
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11. Symbolically? You mean, something with no meaning?
Why are some obsessed with what Bush did, as if it was some great thing? It made his poll #'s rise but he did not give a crap about anyone involved in what happened on 9/11. Politicians manipulate easily. I prefer when they don't get on tv and tell me things will be just fine when they won't be.
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 03:36 PM
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18. I hear you. I want him to show us who's side he's on, and mean it. The reality is, he can't.
Because we can't handle the truth about who's side he's going to be on when those fishermen and resort owners start fighting for Justice.

He's supposed to be a Democrat, but this is going to blow his cover.

Prove me wrong!
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 03:43 PM
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19. Blow what cover? We are entirely dependent on oil as a nation.
Obama blew the real cover yesterday by nearly mentioning peak oil. Why the hell else do we go looking for oil 5000 feet below the surface? The best thing we can do is push politicians to talk honestly about needing a framework for getting alternative energy in place. The time is now. We won't stop drilling anytime soon, we can't. We are screwed, our economy and the industrial world is dependent on the stuff.
As far as getting BP to pay up, the up and down vote in Congress for lifting the liability cap didn't happen because a Rethug held it up. We shall see but they are absolutely liable for at least $75 million in damages regarding the Gulf. If they don't pay up, they will have to be taken to court. I think they would pay it, they want to move on and be out drilling again and making more millions.
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Dont TS Me Brah Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 03:18 PM
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10. Pfffttt.... if this were Chess, President Obama would be schooling the woodpushers. nt
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 03:22 PM
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15. Shit, he likes being in check to the corps so it doesn't matter how good a player he is
Waste of talent and education.

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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 03:20 PM
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12. Check mate - the oil spill trumps the ability of those who think to stop it by yelling slogans
Edited on Fri May-28-10 03:20 PM by stray cat
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 03:23 PM
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16. Maybe right now is not the time for a President to compromise between BP and the millions who
have had their livelihoods and communities destroyed by their negligence, due in large part to laissez-faire policies of Bush/Cheney that his agencies are carrying out today.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 03:21 PM
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13. The only thing motivating Obama about the spill is the questions from his daughters about it.
Edited on Fri May-28-10 03:23 PM by earth mom
Maybe those girls will save the day and get Obama to stand up to BP, but I doubt it because BP supplies most of the oil for the wars.

BP Supplies 80% Of Fuel To US Forces-Another Reason WHY They Will NEVER Be Prosecuted!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8439213
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 03:21 PM
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14. It's 3D chess
Edited on Fri May-28-10 03:25 PM by Catherina
Mere mortals wouldn't understand.

He's got BP right where he wants them.


In all fairness to Obama, he has no power and it was made plain as day these last 28 days. Yesterday's incident with him not even knowing BP hadn't pumped anything in 16 hours while he reassured the nation that BP didn't make a single move without the administration's ok, was the plainest. In this globalized world, Obama wouldn't last 5 minutes if he declared war on such a depraved, global crime syndicate.

Big business and big money aren't playing around. Look at the deplorable behavior of a certain element in the Democratic Party when they think there might be a nickel in something for them. By the time you're talking about trillions of dollars, the depravity knows no depths. They'd shoot him, shoot his kids, and burn the entire USA down if that's what it took for them to keep stealing.

It's time to ask hard questions about how we got this way and how we can peacefully get out of this sick global jam.


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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 03:25 PM
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17. I agree--this really shows his true hand. I don't think it's all his fault, but he's still pinned.
This incident shows it. Just like the bailouts. The President is subservient to the Fed, and to corporations as big as BP. Makes you wonder who the real "president" is.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 03:44 PM
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20. Presidents and CEOs are salaried lackeys for the Board of Directors
Edited on Fri May-28-10 03:48 PM by Catherina
The Board of Directors approves 10, 15, 20, 50 year plans. When one President's term is up, others applicants come present their qualifications and promise to eagerly follow those plans. The Board narrows it down to a couple and make them the front runners before we get the vote to rubberstamp whatever they'll allow us to rubberstamp.

Great racket.

There's our real "president", that neverchanging international Board of Directors of shriveled sickly greedy bastards who congregate at Bilderberg and G-number conferences behind heavy security.

Obama's either a willing lackey or in way over his head. I think he's in way over his head and didn't realize how much of his soul he had to sell to those bastards. It's one thing to believe in liberal economics and want to try to regain your country's imperial standing but it's another to watch those bastards trash our Gulf and make callous comments like "Louisiana isn’t the only place that has shrimp" (BP CEO, Randy Prescott)

We had some French friends over for dinner last night and the conversation was about this catastrophe. They explained how unbelievable they found it that our entire government is so subservient that criminals hauled in front of Congress can just sit there and keep repeating "I don't remember" and get away with it.

I'm sorry Rudy. I ranted a little.


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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 03:56 PM
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23. Please, rant a lot. There's not enough room on the internets for how I feel about this.
I just cannot believe we're seeing it so plainly, a corporation shitting on Americans and telling us to STFU about it, with no resistance from our President.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 03:49 PM
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22. That's the bottom line but
Edited on Fri May-28-10 03:53 PM by Catherina
in this new globalized world, you can't bite the hand of your masters and get away with it.

The charade is up. What we're seeing here is who's really in charge of this country.

See my sigline.

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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 04:13 PM
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24. Yep
We will see. BP lied to Obama just like they lied in public. Will he call them out?

Not yet, he hasn't. He DID send Chu and team to the BP BOP discussions. Only when was that? Just last week? Anybody know when?

But now BP is working with their BOP which was the plan all along to stop the flow. That's what the BOP is designed to do: stop the flow. Ok, it broke, so now they are fixing it... 5. Weeks. Later.

This will be, if it gets further out of control, Obama's Katrina.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-10 10:38 AM
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25. And of course, this important question is unrecced and tossed to the bottom of the Gulf
Sad. Sad beyond belief.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-10 01:21 PM
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26. Well, that could well turn me around on him, if he did.
Pandering is not change.
K&R

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