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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 05:14 PM
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Gulf DUers: I hope you are reminding your Republican acquaintences that this is their fault
The BP oil spill that is

They were the ones that crowed "Drill Baby Drill"

They were the ones that wanted more oil, quicker and damned be the consequences.

They are the ones who elected Bush, who appointed all these nincompoops to the oversight boards.

It's their fault...

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Phlem Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 05:24 PM
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1. I would if
I thought it would make any difference at all, trust me.

The brainwashing is pretty permanent.

As it stands right now, I can't talk to any of the knuckle draggers about anything political.

-p
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 05:26 PM
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2. Well sounds like you need to drive down to the gulf, scoop up some tar
And dump it on their front lawn....

Nothing like visual aids :)
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Saphire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 05:28 PM
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4. Yup, my freeper at work says it's all the gubments fault...to many
regulations.

Yeah, I still can't figure that one out either.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 05:30 PM
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6. Um - WTF???
That's like saying the cause of war is people getting along too well...
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Saphire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 05:42 PM
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8. gubment forced them to drill deeper and deeper in the gulf by not
Edited on Fri May-28-10 05:43 PM by Saphire
allowing drilling in ANWAR.

like I said, he's a freeper, I can't make any sense out of anything he thinks.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 05:48 PM
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9. so, your freeper coworker is absolute incompetent. please tell me he's not in charge of anything of
importance or safety? ha
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stillwaiting Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 06:08 PM
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11. I had a man in my statistics class today (he's 47) say that it's the governments fault
because of the regulations. Apparently the regulations are the reason that BP had to drill in the deep waters. You see they HAD to in order to get around the regulations.

Or something.

They're nuts.
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Phlem Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 05:26 PM
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3. Oops.
I didn't know you were talking to Gulf DUers.

Still. I make every effort enlighten those zombies every chance I get.

-p
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FLPanhandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 05:29 PM
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5. Actually, one of the only times the republicans in Florida stood up to Bush was on offshore drilling
Even those idiots knew it was a bad idea.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 05:32 PM
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7. Obviously not enough of a bad idea
And our Gov here in CA has stood up to it, even though he could wipe out our budget problems in a heartbeat if he allowed it.

And he's a Republican!

Yeah - he fucks up in a number of other ways, but on Offshore Drilling, I agree with him
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 06:51 PM
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13. our former republican Senator stood up to the repugs and dems!
Edited on Fri May-28-10 06:54 PM by flyarm
Republican Mel Martinez stood up to repubs and dems over drilling off the Florida coastlines..so You obviously don't know what you are talking about ..about the Gulf or the Florida coastlines..

let me remind you thatt it was both republicans and democrats that supported drilling off our coastlines!

and some took a good deal of money doing so!

and ahemmmm...Obama recieved the most money from BP OIL!

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx This is from many of my former posts! and in my journal.


ahhh the strange bedfellows.....remember Dashle who pushed Obama during our primaries..and was one of his top advisors...........working with Whitman..the lady who lied about the air quality at Ground zero in NY?? Can i tickle your memory..she lied and people died and keep dying!! And that is just one example..

Spill, Baby, Spill
By Michael Isikoff, Ian Yarett and Matthew Philips | NEWSWEEK
From the magazine issue dated May 10, 2010

BP has been trying hard to burnish its public image in recent years after being hit with a pair of environmental disasters, including a fatal refinery explosion in Texas and a pipeline leak in Alaska. One major step was to announce, in 2007, that it had hired a high-powered advisory board that included former EPA director Christine Todd Whitman, former Senate majority leader Tom Daschle, and Leon Panetta, who were each paid $120,000 a year. (Panetta left when he became President Obama's CIA director.) Two years ago the oil giant's chief executive, Robert Malone, flew board members out to the Gulf of Mexico on a helicopter to demonstrate the safeguards surrounding BP's advanced drilling technology. "We got a sense they were really committed to ensuring they got it right," Whitman told NEWSWEEK.

Now BP, formerly known as British Petroleum, finds itself blamed for what could prove to be the worst oil spill in U.S. history. And only weeks after Obama announced an ambitious plan to open up more U.S. offshore waters to oil drilling, shunting aside environmental concerns from his own Democratic Party, his administration is facing a comeuppance from hell. "There was a lot of wishful thinking, I guess," says Villy Kourafalou, a scientist at the University of Miami's Rosensteil School of Marine and Atmospheric Science. "The new technologies were said to be so wonderful that we'd never have an oil spill again." Rep. Frank Pallone (D-N.J.), who had sought to block the expanded drilling, says the oil and gas industry was pushing this idea hard. "They said, 'We'll never have a repeat of Santa Barbara,'?" referring to the 1969 rig explosion off the California coast. Both the Bush and Obama administrations "were buying the line that the technology was fine," Pallone adds.

BP pressed hard to make that point in D.C. Its PR efforts included payments of $16 million last year to a battery of Washington lobbyists, among them the firm of Tony Podesta, the brother of former Obama transition chief John Podesta. Last fall, after the U.S. Interior Department proposed tighter federal regulation of oil companies' environmental programs, David Rainey, BP's vice president for Gulf of Mexico exploration, told Congress that the proposal was unnecessary. "I think we need to remember," he said, that offshore drilling "has been going on for the last 50 years, and it has been going on in a way that is both safe and protective of the environment."

Read the full article at:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/237298

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

and never forget this..we Floridans won't!!!


YouTube - Barack Obama on Offshore Oil Drilling ( to Florida voters while asking for their votes)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8fkbEuCQss...


xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Obama: “Oil Rigs Today Generally Don’t Cause Spills”

Obama Repeats Katrina Oil Spill Myth To Defend Offshore Drilling

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm8gLmuTvJ4... ...


By: David Dayen Thursday April 29, 2010 1:42 pm

snip:

What a difference 18 days makes. Here was Barack Obama, on April 2, before the BP oil rig disaster in the Gulf of Mexico, claiming that oil rigs are safe to justify his position on offshore drilling:

I don’t agree with the notion that we shouldn’t do anything. It turns out, by the way, that oil rigs today generally don’t cause spills. They are technologically very advanced. Even during Katrina, the spills didn’t come from the oil rigs, they came from the refineries onshore.

Not only does this quote look ridiculous in hindsight, it wasn’t true at the time, as Brad Johnson points out:

Obama’s claim that oil rigs did not cause any spills during Hurricane Katrina is simply false, as the Wonk Room reported in June, 2008, when Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) and other conservatives made the same false claim:

Hurricanes Katrina and Rita Caused 124 Offshore Spills For A Total Of 743,700 Gallons. 554,400 gallons were crude oil and condensate from platforms, rigs and pipelines, and 189,000 gallons were refined products from platforms and rigs.

Hurricanes Katrina and Rita Caused Six Offshore Spills Of 42,000 Gallons Or Greater. The largest of these was 152,250 gallons, well over the 100,000 gallon threshhold considered a “major spill.”


http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/04/29/oba... ... ’t-cause-spills/



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Government to Oil Plume Discovery Team: Shut Up
Posted by flyarm in General Discussion
Tue May 18th 2010, 02:38 PM
Government to Oil Plume Discovery Team: Shut Up | The Seminal

http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/48816...

Government to Oil Plume Discovery Team: Shut Up
By: Jim White Tuesday May 18, 2010 6:06 am


The research vessel Pelican. (photo: Louisiana Universities Marine Consortium)

On Saturday, the New York Times brought the world’s attention to the discovery by a team of researchers on the the vessel Pelican that there are large underwater plumes of oil emanating from the Deepwater Horizon spill. Remarkably, the response of the government to the attention focused on this discovery has been to tell the researchers to stop granting interviews with the press. At the same time, the blog on which the researchers had been providing updates has also fallen silent since Saturday.

Pensacola television station WEAR filed a report (video at the link) on the oil plume and broke the news about the scientists being muzzled by the government:

Over the weekend, a research crew from the University of Southern Mississippi found evidence that there are 3 to 5 plumes… About 5 miles wide, 10 miles long and 3 hundred feet in depth.

But after giving that information to the press, the lead researcher now says he has been asked by the federal government… Which funds his research… To quit giving interviews until further testing is done.


What an interesting change of course for the government. Even the government’s website on the Deepwater Horizon response had been touting the mission of the Pelican as recently as May 6:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 05:50 PM
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10. Gulf DUers are concerned about the Gulf, our livelihoods, our health, our environment.
Partisan politics is not a concern for 99.99% of us.

I'll tell you who is concerned about partisan politics: Mary Landrieu and David Vitter.

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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 11:27 PM
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20. +1
We're just trying to clean up the mess and save what we can. At this point that's all we can care about.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 06:26 PM
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12. I think if you are going to start pointing fingers, you better start at all directions!
Edited on Fri May-28-10 06:47 PM by flyarm
Mel Martinez a rabid repuke was 100% against more oil drilling near Fla and in the Gulf.

And if you remember correctly..Obama signed off on millions of miles of coastlines in this nation shortly before this gusher!..After promising Floridians in the campaign that he was against any more oil drilling off our coast lines..then opened up 2/3rds the way down both coasts of Florida!

*Please do your homework before telling we who live on the Gulf what we should or should not do!


xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

ahhh the strange bedfellows.....remember Dashle who pushed Obama during our primaries..and was one of his top advisors...........working with Whitman..the lady who lied about the air quality at Ground zero in NY?? Can i tickle your memory..she lied and people died and keep dying!! And that is just one example..

Spill, Baby, Spill
By Michael Isikoff, Ian Yarett and Matthew Philips | NEWSWEEK
From the magazine issue dated May 10, 2010

BP has been trying hard to burnish its public image in recent years after being hit with a pair of environmental disasters, including a fatal refinery explosion in Texas and a pipeline leak in Alaska. One major step was to announce, in 2007, that it had hired a high-powered advisory board that included former EPA director Christine Todd Whitman, former Senate majority leader Tom Daschle, and Leon Panetta, who were each paid $120,000 a year. (Panetta left when he became President Obama's CIA director.) Two years ago the oil giant's chief executive, Robert Malone, flew board members out to the Gulf of Mexico on a helicopter to demonstrate the safeguards surrounding BP's advanced drilling technology. "We got a sense they were really committed to ensuring they got it right," Whitman told NEWSWEEK.

Now BP, formerly known as British Petroleum, finds itself blamed for what could prove to be the worst oil spill in U.S. history. And only weeks after Obama announced an ambitious plan to open up more U.S. offshore waters to oil drilling, shunting aside environmental concerns from his own Democratic Party, his administration is facing a comeuppance from hell. "There was a lot of wishful thinking, I guess," says Villy Kourafalou, a scientist at the University of Miami's Rosensteil School of Marine and Atmospheric Science. "The new technologies were said to be so wonderful that we'd never have an oil spill again." Rep. Frank Pallone (D-N.J.), who had sought to block the expanded drilling, says the oil and gas industry was pushing this idea hard. "They said, 'We'll never have a repeat of Santa Barbara,'?" referring to the 1969 rig explosion off the California coast. Both the Bush and Obama administrations "were buying the line that the technology was fine," Pallone adds.

BP pressed hard to make that point in D.C. Its PR efforts included payments of $16 million last year to a battery of Washington lobbyists, among them the firm of Tony Podesta, the brother of former Obama transition chief John Podesta. Last fall, after the U.S. Interior Department proposed tighter federal regulation of oil companies' environmental programs, David Rainey, BP's vice president for Gulf of Mexico exploration, told Congress that the proposal was unnecessary. "I think we need to remember," he said, that offshore drilling "has been going on for the last 50 years, and it has been going on in a way that is both safe and protective of the environment."

Read the full article at:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/237298

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

and never forget this..we Floridans won't!!!


YouTube - Barack Obama on Offshore Oil Drilling ( to Florida voters while asking for their votes)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8fkbEuCQss...


xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Obama: “Oil Rigs Today Generally Don’t Cause Spills”

Obama Repeats Katrina Oil Spill Myth To Defend Offshore Drilling

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm8gLmuTvJ4... ...


By: David Dayen Thursday April 29, 2010 1:42 pm

snip:

What a difference 18 days makes. Here was Barack Obama, on April 2, before the BP oil rig disaster in the Gulf of Mexico, claiming that oil rigs are safe to justify his position on offshore drilling:

I don’t agree with the notion that we shouldn’t do anything. It turns out, by the way, that oil rigs today generally don’t cause spills. They are technologically very advanced. Even during Katrina, the spills didn’t come from the oil rigs, they came from the refineries onshore.

Not only does this quote look ridiculous in hindsight, it wasn’t true at the time, as Brad Johnson points out:

Obama’s claim that oil rigs did not cause any spills during Hurricane Katrina is simply false, as the Wonk Room reported in June, 2008, when Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) and other conservatives made the same false claim:

Hurricanes Katrina and Rita Caused 124 Offshore Spills For A Total Of 743,700 Gallons. 554,400 gallons were crude oil and condensate from platforms, rigs and pipelines, and 189,000 gallons were refined products from platforms and rigs.

Hurricanes Katrina and Rita Caused Six Offshore Spills Of 42,000 Gallons Or Greater. The largest of these was 152,250 gallons, well over the 100,000 gallon threshhold considered a “major spill.”


http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/04/29/oba... ... ’t-cause-spills/



xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Government to Oil Plume Discovery Team: Shut Up
Posted by flyarm in General Discussion
Tue May 18th 2010, 02:38 PM
Government to Oil Plume Discovery Team: Shut Up | The Seminal

http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/48816...

Government to Oil Plume Discovery Team: Shut Up
By: Jim White Tuesday May 18, 2010 6:06 am


The research vessel Pelican. (photo: Louisiana Universities Marine Consortium)

On Saturday, the New York Times brought the world’s attention to the discovery by a team of researchers on the the vessel Pelican that there are large underwater plumes of oil emanating from the Deepwater Horizon spill. Remarkably, the response of the government to the attention focused on this discovery has been to tell the researchers to stop granting interviews with the press. At the same time, the blog on which the researchers had been providing updates has also fallen silent since Saturday.

Pensacola television station WEAR filed a report (video at the link) on the oil plume and broke the news about the scientists being muzzled by the government:

Over the weekend, a research crew from the University of Southern Mississippi found evidence that there are 3 to 5 plumes… About 5 miles wide, 10 miles long and 3 hundred feet in depth.

But after giving that information to the press, the lead researcher now says he has been asked by the federal government… Which funds his research… To quit giving interviews until further testing is done.


What an interesting change of course for the government. Even the government’s website on the Deepwater Horizon response had been touting the mission of the Pelican as recently as May 6:
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 06:54 PM
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14. Remind yourself that Obama is for Offshore Drilling too.
And then make your judgment about the people of a red state.

I would love to know what you come up with...
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 06:59 PM
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16. ahh yes we Gulf state folks know damn well who has sold our coastlines out..and the fingers go
Edited on Fri May-28-10 07:01 PM by flyarm
in all directions..and we damn well know that Obama took the most money from BP OIL Corp!

After all, it has been on all our news stations and our local newspapers..maybe the nationals aren't covering it, but our local media sure as hell has!

Obama appointed Salazar, has been one of the biggest fucking sell outs of our coastlines!

And we damn well know how this administration has been covering the asses of BP oil!

Hmmm and who else's asses have they been covering for ..hmmm think about that one!!
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 06:59 PM
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15. Republicans and Democrats both have supported drilling off our coastlines
Edited on Fri May-28-10 07:01 PM by Mimosa
The environment is so crucial that nothing is to be gained and much is potentially lost by attempting to use an environmental catastrophe for partisan political purposes.

Louisiana's past history is of primarily Democratic politicians. Before Landrieu and Vitter we had Dem Senators Boudreaux and Johnston who were in with Big OIL as are many Dems and Repubs now. It's all about the money, always has been.

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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 07:03 PM
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17. exactly , thank you! and it is bullshit to pretend otherwise! and propaganda I might add! eom
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 08:12 PM
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18. Oh and where were "YOU" when Obama opened up millions of miles of coast lines to drilling ..
I know where I was ..protesting what Obama did ! When he became a liar to his campaign promises to my states Democrats! And I was told to stfu by fellow democrats!

Of course that was shortly BEFORE this gusher destroyed the Gulf I live on!

So where were you????????????
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 08:16 PM
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19. Can't really do that, because Obama enabled, legitimized and adopted their drilling policy
after having done nothing to clean up the problems at the regulatory agencies.
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