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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 04:34 AM Original message |
Can you guys explain your flag thing to this Brit? |
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Sinistrous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 04:41 AM Response to Original message |
1. A symbol of our higher ideals. |
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Yeahyeah (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 06:39 AM Response to Reply #1 |
26. A replacement for our higher ideals. |
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Generic Other (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:50 AM Response to Reply #26 |
47. You said a mouthful right there! |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:59 AM Response to Reply #26 |
104. I agree, it's an emotional replacement for reason, thus making it easier for the |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #104 |
170. I think the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag was written after the Civil War. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #170 |
172. Yes in 1892 during the Gilded Age originally conceived as a marketing ploy to move flags and |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 04:20 AM Response to Reply #172 |
232. Yes, an astonishingly large number of what Americans think of as "Patriotic |
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hippywife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:34 PM Response to Reply #26 |
207. Bingo! |
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BlueMTexpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 04:18 AM Response to Reply #26 |
231. Too true, unfortunately. nt |
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Bert (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:58 AM Response to Reply #1 |
130. Symbol is right |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
146. Yeah, but WHAT are the higher ideals? |
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mr blur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
174. Higher than whose? Ours? |
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Ned Bro (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:03 PM Response to Reply #1 |
181. "it's gotten a lot of use." |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 12:22 AM Response to Reply #1 |
260. E Pluribus Unum |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 04:45 AM Response to Original message |
2. You're fairly close with "what we have instead is the royal family", I think |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:45 AM Response to Reply #2 |
61. I like the continuity that the royal family represents. A non-political figure with the long view. |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 03:56 AM Response to Reply #61 |
228. Liz herself has managed to be a very appropriate symbol for Britain, I think... |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:53 AM Response to Reply #2 |
249. I suppose in some sense it was the first symbol of our national identity |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 12:02 PM Response to Reply #2 |
267. Well, it's been several centuries since anyone tried to burn the royal family, I think... |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 04:54 AM Response to Original message |
3. Was composed from a combination of crosses |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 05:02 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Yeah, I know where MINE comes from... |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 05:19 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. I misread |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:35 AM Response to Reply #8 |
112. OOPS! |
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Pharaoh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:11 AM Response to Reply #4 |
35. Much like the Nazis used the swastica |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:40 AM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Your answer is in your post |
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VPStoltz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:16 PM Response to Reply #3 |
198. The so-called confederate flag (really a battle of one of the Virginia regiments) |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 05:12 AM Response to Original message |
5. Well, for starters, our National Anthem is all about a flag |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 05:30 AM Response to Reply #5 |
13. I'm sorry but that doesn't really explain anything to me. |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:10 AM Response to Reply #13 |
34. Are you not familiar with the lyrics of America's National Anthem? |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:15 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Good point Art from Ark |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #34 |
118. Ah, so it's perseverence in the face of adversity? |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 06:44 AM Response to Reply #118 |
240. The flag has been a popular theme of songs |
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VPStoltz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:18 PM Response to Reply #34 |
200. Set to an impossibly stupid melody. |
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Aristus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:53 PM Response to Reply #200 |
220. Yeah, an old English drinking song. Pretty apt, I think... |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:18 PM Response to Reply #5 |
199. At the hands of the Brits, no less, lol. |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 05:12 AM Response to Original message |
6. I don't understand it either... |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 05:22 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. It really is a cult. It's about propagandizing |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:48 AM Response to Reply #9 |
44. Yes a cult, except its a majoritarian cult |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:00 AM Response to Reply #44 |
70. In fairness the British aren't looking too good either right now due to the BP disaster nt |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #70 |
116. BP hasn't been British for ages. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:50 AM Response to Reply #116 |
121. 40% of stock is owned by British. nt |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:56 AM Response to Reply #121 |
128. Hmmmmmmm. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:59 AM Response to Reply #128 |
132. 39% by US. Then there's everyone else. But Brits have the plurality. nt |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:54 PM Response to Reply #132 |
203. It's a transnational company. Plus it's got nothing at all to do with the flag question n/t |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:52 PM Response to Reply #116 |
157. Nice Try. The "empire" is behind this bugger nt |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #157 |
179. It's a conspiracy! nt |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #44 |
171. when it comes to flag worship never has there been a time |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:49 AM Response to Reply #6 |
98. It's not a cult thing for most of us. |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:56 PM Response to Reply #98 |
204. Cultists always deny they're doing cultish things! |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 05:17 AM Response to Original message |
7. It's explained pretty well at these links...can you explain Cricket? |
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TheMightyFavog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:47 AM Response to Reply #7 |
117. Cricket is easy to explain... |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #117 |
134. I have this overwhelming urge to slap you. |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 04:33 PM Response to Reply #117 |
189. Ah so...clarity at last. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 04:55 AM Response to Reply #117 |
236. ! |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 06:09 PM Response to Reply #117 |
254. Is that anything like 23-Man Squamish??? |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 03:52 AM Response to Reply #7 |
227. Cricket is about doing a sport that isn't a sport. |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 05:23 AM Response to Original message |
10. I like our flag. I'm glad that we revere it. It is a symbol of our country. |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:29 AM Response to Reply #10 |
54. You're obviously a brainwashed neo-con |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:33 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. It's a Big Tent |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:46 AM Response to Reply #10 |
62. Me too. I love the flag and the ideals it stands for. I'm also proud of the British and Canadian |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:52 AM Response to Reply #62 |
100. Pride is seen as a sin by many on DU. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:57 AM Response to Reply #100 |
102. That's because pride IS a sin- the deadliest one at that... |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:00 AM Response to Reply #102 |
105. Everything in moderation. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:49 AM Response to Reply #105 |
119. BINGO. nt |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 06:59 PM Response to Reply #105 |
191. Doesn't the TYPE of pride matter? |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:12 PM Response to Reply #191 |
194. I disagree. |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:02 PM Response to Reply #194 |
212. Define this healthy way? |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:42 PM Response to Reply #212 |
218. Eyes open. |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 07:20 AM Response to Reply #218 |
242. Hmm, maybe, then again, from my own perspective... |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 05:19 PM Response to Reply #242 |
252. It's all a matter of perspective. |
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Veruca Salt (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:41 PM Response to Reply #62 |
148. Agreed, I've also got my Italian flag and my rainbow flag |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #148 |
152. We can't let them co-opt our symbols. Good on you! nt |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #148 |
154. Well said, the RW'ers have ruined it for all of us. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:53 PM Response to Reply #154 |
158. That's exactly as Eleanor would want us to do. Grab that sucker back! nt |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #158 |
165. Which is why I love her so... |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #165 |
166. Yep. She'd just get in the 3 point stance, lower a shoulder and bowl 'em over, then |
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AsahinaKimi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:14 PM Response to Reply #148 |
195. I happen to think that |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:50 AM Response to Reply #10 |
99. +1000 |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:52 AM Response to Reply #99 |
123. The British do, but they don't have the same protocols, etc. for their flag as we do. In fact, |
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miscsoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 05:25 AM Response to Original message |
11. It has to do with anxieties about identity. |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 05:47 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. What a dirty trick: |
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Regret My New Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:23 AM Response to Reply #11 |
52. hahaha @ "scribblings of half-educated colonial magnates" [and where it linked] |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:08 AM Response to Reply #11 |
81. Still bitter you lost? |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:10 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Toby Keith circa 2002 found a time machine! |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:20 AM Response to Reply #82 |
87. That was quick. Looks like I touched a nerve n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:23 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Deleted message |
Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:23 AM Response to Reply #87 |
89. Time Travelling Toby Keith you are a national treasure! |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:52 AM Response to Reply #11 |
101. Doubt we will be around for even another 100 years. |
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TheMightyFavog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:50 AM Response to Reply #101 |
120. Have you ever seen an English translation of the French anthem? |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #101 |
168. "Doubt we will be around for even another 100 years" |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 04:16 AM Response to Reply #101 |
230. Our anthem was written by a poet who watched the long DEFENSE at a random Baltimore fort |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:11 PM Response to Reply #11 |
138. At least we managed to get free of England. You folks in Scotland? Not so much. |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #138 |
153. Oh, gosh. That's me told, eh? |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:05 PM Response to Reply #153 |
213. No, that's miscsoc told. I didn't reply to you at all. nt |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 03:01 AM Response to Reply #213 |
223. Well, you did say "you Scottish" an' all... |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:30 AM Response to Reply #223 |
243. Okay, think of it like this then |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 11:52 AM Response to Reply #243 |
262. Best one yet! |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 11:16 AM Response to Reply #223 |
251. But until you replied to me above, you hadn't insulted us. You had simply |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:22 PM Response to Reply #11 |
167. and your well trained military... |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 05:29 AM Response to Original message |
12. You have to remember.... |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 05:30 AM Response to Original message |
14. This insomniac will take a run at it. |
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Mist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 06:15 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. I'm with you, dixiegrrrl--it's come to mean hypocrisy and political bullying, here and |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:33 AM Response to Reply #18 |
40. political AND religious bullying |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:54 AM Response to Reply #14 |
68. Americans revere their flag so much they even have a holiday for it! |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:15 PM Response to Reply #68 |
197. LOL as always. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:47 PM Response to Reply #197 |
202. Which makes me uniquely qualified to laugh at the lunacy from a saner vantage |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:10 PM Response to Reply #202 |
209. No sillier then celebrating the Queen's birthday. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:48 PM Response to Reply #209 |
211. That's an excuse for a party or a fishing trip! |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:35 PM Response to Reply #211 |
216. Long weekends are nice. |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:01 PM Response to Reply #197 |
205. You spelt Vegemite wrong |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:07 PM Response to Reply #205 |
208. Meh, Vegemite is ok. |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 05:31 AM Response to Original message |
15. It stands for "Conform, or ELSE....". That's pretty much it. nt |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 05:39 AM Response to Original message |
16. It stands for corporate FREEDOM! |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 06:17 AM Response to Original message |
19. You never had a revolution to become free from a tyrant. :-) |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 06:20 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Erm... |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 06:30 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Do you mean Boudicca? Were you a nation then? Wat Tyler? Not quite a success. |
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eShirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 06:26 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Wait, what about |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 06:31 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Why, yes, it was Charles I. Vs. Oliver Cromwell. It's called a Civil War, not a revolution. |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:11 PM Response to Reply #24 |
137. It was as much a civil war as the American Revolution was, just with a different outcome. (nt) |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 06:37 AM Response to Reply #19 |
25. Did you have a revolution to form a new nation? |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:33 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Yes, they did change the flag, actually |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:54 AM Response to Reply #19 |
125. Most of the colonists didn't even support the Revolution! nt |
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KharmaTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 06:23 AM Response to Original message |
21. Can You Explain The Bowing Down To The Queen Thing... |
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tanyev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 06:48 AM Response to Original message |
27. Nope, really can't. |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:02 AM Response to Original message |
28. Can YOU explain British reverence for a family of "free-loaders"? |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:41 AM Response to Reply #28 |
57. Nah, man, you go first. |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:06 PM Response to Reply #57 |
162. Hey, I have not displayed the flag in years! |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 04:03 AM Response to Reply #162 |
229. Ok, i'll give it a go.... |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 05:31 PM Response to Reply #229 |
253. Let's say our flag symbolizes our supposed unity as a country, which is a joke, given |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:50 PM Response to Reply #28 |
156. Most of Liz's money goes waaaaaay back. It costs us more to keep the president going. nt |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:10 PM Response to Reply #156 |
163. Back to when her ancestors earned it from the backs of oppressed serfs! |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #163 |
164. It costs us a lot more. Just sayin'. nt |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:07 PM Response to Reply #163 |
214. Damn straight. Monarchs represent the pinnacle of the oppression of the poor by the rich. |
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Mudoria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:19 AM Response to Original message |
29. Doesn't look that way when England takes the pitch for a game |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:50 AM Response to Reply #29 |
46. You are right they are identical to the USA |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:45 AM Response to Original message |
31. Its a reminder of the sacrifice people made to gain independence from Brit and its kings |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:10 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. And over the years, every other sacrifice, too. |
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surrealAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:01 AM Response to Original message |
32. It has more to do with indoctrination at an early age ... |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:28 AM Response to Reply #32 |
39. I was going to post the same thing |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:16 AM Response to Original message |
37. Soft Power's Symbols are Softer |
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lynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:21 AM Response to Original message |
38. A good question for Memorial Day weekend - |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:41 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Well said, lynne |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:55 AM Response to Reply #38 |
127. Yes, I agree. nt |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
43. When I was in school, every morning started with the Pledge of Allegiance |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:08 AM Response to Reply #43 |
80. Most British people never swear an oath of/pledge allegiance to anyone or anything |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:48 AM Response to Original message |
45. It's a way to unify an idea/ideal, in the same way "Green" unifies an idea/ideal |
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MorningGlow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
48. "Team" mentality |
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asjr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
49. It keeps flag makers in business. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
50. The US flag was made to set us apart from Britain |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:29 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. facepalm |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:43 AM Response to Reply #50 |
58. Yeah, this is a diatribe about the Royal Family. |
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TransitJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:19 AM Response to Original message |
51. This one? |
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Martin Eden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
53. Well, I can tell you my own feelings and thoughts ... |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:43 AM Response to Reply #53 |
113. Thanks for a moving response... and it reveals something , perhaps... |
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Martin Eden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:58 PM Response to Reply #113 |
177. WWII heralded the end of the British Empire and the rise of ours |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
59. The Union Jack - Liz's flag - is considered the world's 1st piece of 'modern' art. It's great! |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
60. Starts in the US Flag Code. Unlike other flags, the US Flag is a LIVING thing |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:49 AM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Creepy... almost like transubstantiation in the Catholic dogma |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:01 AM Response to Reply #64 |
72. The Jesus flesh in my church |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:04 AM Response to Reply #72 |
75. Actually the "host" was more like styrofoam cup |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:07 AM Response to Reply #75 |
79. OMG!!! |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:03 AM Response to Reply #64 |
74. It's creepy beyond belief |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:17 AM Response to Reply #74 |
86. The "Others" are those who don't share the cult mindset. |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:36 AM Response to Reply #86 |
95. Well said. "In all its obscene glory" |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:11 AM Response to Reply #74 |
108. Arundhati Roy said it well: |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:07 PM Response to Reply #108 |
135. Ding ding ding!!!! We have a winner! |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:01 AM Response to Reply #60 |
71. The flag is considered a living thing? That's animism! We're all pagans nt |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 04:56 PM Response to Reply #71 |
190. I think that is quite disturbing, actually...it's a piece of fucking cloth! |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
63. its the history behind it, the men that have died for it, the freedom it represents. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:50 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. The 48 star version played a big role in defeating Hitler. Pearl Harbor was the best Xmas gift |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #63 |
183. Good point. |
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Burma Jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
66. We had to assimilate people from all over Europe, and then the rest of the world |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:26 AM Response to Reply #66 |
92. Who is we kemosabe? |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:44 AM Response to Reply #66 |
115. Interesting, I hadn't heard that theory. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:03 PM Response to Reply #66 |
161. It's specifically because we're so diverse that the flag takes on an extra meaning. nt |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 11:58 AM Response to Reply #161 |
265. Now THAT's a thing worth respecting. |
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MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
67. Jingoism = The only authorized official state religion n/t |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
69. It's a symbol of our ideals. What's with your monarchy worship? |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:02 AM Response to Reply #69 |
73. And the cult of Diana! lol nt |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:05 AM Response to Reply #69 |
76. The only Monarchy I worship... |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:16 AM Response to Reply #69 |
84. Well, if it's bad for US to do it... |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
77. it's because we're #1 and you're not |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
78. Notice, even on a so called "liberal board" the nationalism, and indeed patronization of Americans |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:14 AM Response to Reply #78 |
83. community standards have lapsed |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:16 AM Response to Reply #83 |
85. True, though honestly, even the most leftist of Americans still act like Americans... |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:24 AM Response to Reply #78 |
90. No-one actually seems to have anything positive to say other than mentioning "ideals". WHAT ideals? |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:28 AM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Hell if I know, I mean, I believe in democracy, rule of law, civil rights for all... |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:13 PM Response to Reply #93 |
139. Part and parcel of exceptionalism - people like to believe those are unique to the US. (nt) |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 07:25 PM Response to Reply #90 |
256. You've had your question answered over and over politely |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:41 PM Response to Reply #78 |
149. Me too. I was born here and have never gotten the extreme flag worship thing. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
91. No I can't |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:17 AM Response to Reply #91 |
110. Okidoke. |
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branders seine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
94. red is for the innocent livesAmerica has snuffed out while attempting |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:58 AM Response to Reply #94 |
103. God, that's stupid. |
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Mudoria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 05:34 AM Response to Reply #103 |
238. Isn't it though... |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
96. A symbol of unity and our higher ideals |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:18 AM Response to Reply #96 |
111. So it's a stoicism thing? M'kay, I get that. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:05 PM Response to Reply #111 |
192. Different strokes for different folks. |
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NYC Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
97. Different people have different traditions. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
106. well right now there is a feverish display of our poor flag by right wing nationalistic nutcases |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
107. It's very easy to explain |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:55 AM Response to Reply #107 |
126. Is that TRUE? I really can't believe that's true, really I can't. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:06 PM Response to Reply #126 |
193. He's talking about HIS inferiority complex. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
109. It's our coat of arms since we really don't have an |
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Greybnk48 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
114. Well, first of all we're young. And we've fought to keep it twice. |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:50 AM Response to Reply #114 |
122. See, ours is probably about to get chopped up. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:58 AM Response to Reply #122 |
129. Scotland did its bit to keep the Tories out... |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:30 PM Response to Reply #129 |
144. Good lad! |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:46 PM Response to Reply #144 |
155. It's the official flag of the Buckfast Belt! |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
124. I wrote the British Embassy to get instructions on how to respectfully fold the flag |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:22 PM Response to Reply #124 |
140. Were they actually insulting about it? |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:28 PM Response to Reply #140 |
143. Well, yes. I had asked how to fold it respectfully and explained that I got no response |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:32 PM Response to Reply #143 |
145. I don't think you SHOULD give it Sandhurst... |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #145 |
151. I love having it. But I think it belongs to history. Here in the US, folks |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
131. And yet Britons are going nuts now because they want to fly the flag during the World Cup |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:22 PM Response to Reply #131 |
141. Well, that's more of an English problem than a Scottish problem, I think you'll find.... |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:28 PM Response to Reply #131 |
142. Some of the more idiotic sections of England are going mad, because they want an excuse to do so |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #142 |
159. LOVED how Bobbies went to Germany to control British fans in 2004! nt |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 12:17 AM Response to Reply #142 |
258. Sadly, count my in-laws among those British teabagging ranks. |
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TheMightyFavog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
133. Good Article on the flag by Rick Steves |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:09 PM Response to Reply #133 |
136. I don't use his guides but I like his politics. |
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Martin Eden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:51 AM Response to Reply #133 |
247. "no good patriot would hijack the flag we all want to love as a logo for their politics" |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
147. Think tribal, clan, totem. Lapel pin "patriotism". |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
150. It is not a symbol of what we are so much as it is a |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:08 PM Response to Reply #150 |
182. Yeah , yeah, I get that BUT |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:12 PM Response to Reply #182 |
184. You are not the only one. |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
160. Ok, my flag simply stands for 'laissez les bon temps rouler' |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:58 PM Response to Reply #160 |
178. cool! nt |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
169. I never understood it either --a flag is just a thing...a symbol to be sure but still a thing |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
173. Reliving childhood through remembering saying Pledge of Allegiance. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
175. "My daddy died in Korea for that flag!" "Funny, my flag says MADE IN KOREA" |
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Yeahyeah (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
176. . |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:01 PM Response to Reply #176 |
180. ? |
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The Wizard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
185. Pagan idolatry (NT) |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:15 PM Response to Reply #185 |
186. Hey, this Pagan never worshipped it. |
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The Wizard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #186 |
187. Like religion |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
188. Ah, Zix! Methinks tis a game played here: "I lovest mine flag more than thou dost!" |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 02:52 AM Response to Reply #188 |
221. Oi! Stop mocking my languange! We're sensitive about it. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 05:47 AM Response to Reply #221 |
239. I just wanted to explain it in language you could understand |
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moriah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 06:57 AM Response to Reply #221 |
241. I was going to mock your spelling, actually... |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
196. SOME people think it is an object of worship. They are usually the same people |
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Robeson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
201. I agree with everything you say. I did put out our little U.S. garden flag for Memorial Day... |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 03:00 AM Response to Reply #201 |
222. ??? what am I right about???? I was asking a Question!!!! |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
206. Sure, but first you explain Steak and Kidney pie to us |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 03:27 AM Response to Reply #206 |
226. Well, it's a pie, made of pastry |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:24 PM Response to Original message |
210. "baseball boots"? Whazzat? |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 03:07 AM Response to Reply #210 |
225. These are baseball boots... |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 04:46 AM Response to Reply #225 |
234. Those are converse sneakers/trainers. |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 04:53 AM Response to Reply #234 |
235. That's not a boot that's a weapon of mass destruction! |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 05:27 AM Response to Reply #235 |
237. The Spanish don't mess around. |
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southernyankeebelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
215. Well to me it shows how proud I am to be an american. I always show |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:37 PM Response to Original message |
217. I was born and raised here and I don't get it. |
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pepperbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:43 PM Response to Original message |
219. ask this question in freepland. n/t |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 03:04 AM Response to Reply #219 |
224. Don't wanna. Don't like freepland. nt |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 04:27 AM Response to Original message |
233. They used to program us to worship it as soon as we started school |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
244. Can you explain that old German woman with all those palaces and castles? |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 11:56 AM Response to Reply #244 |
263. Yeah, she's an embodiment of tea and crumpets |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
245. I'll explain the flag, if you'll explain royality. |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
246. So .... let me get this straight .... are you saying that you do NOT favor .... |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
248. Thank the Republicans for the flag wankery. |
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Mendocino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
250. Now the Union Jack had a purpose, |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 11:50 AM Response to Reply #250 |
261. Yer not kiddin'. |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
255. We use it to wrap traitors, mostly. |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
257. we derive these theories of pride from our british ancestors |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 12:23 PM Response to Reply #257 |
268. Now, now! That won't wash. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 12:21 AM Response to Original message |
259. so says you |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 12:00 PM Response to Reply #259 |
266. Oh. Well, hm... |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 06:12 PM Response to Reply #266 |
269. she's 80, a WWII bomb survivor |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 05:30 PM Response to Reply #269 |
271. More than possibly.... |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
264. you are right, I never saw such silliness when I was in the UK or Ireland |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
270. the American flag |
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