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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:40 PM
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Venezuela’s Justice Minister Launches New “Humanist” Prisons
Venezuela’s Justice Minister Launches New “Humanist” Prisons
April 29th 2008, by James Suggett - Venezuelanalysis.com
http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/newsbrief/3401

Before I get to the humanist prisons--a phrase that is an oxymoron here in the U.S.--I want to answer an anti-Chavez post by Bacchus39, who posted the following on Venezuela's high homicide rate...

"El Salvador and Venezuela top world homicide rate"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=405x3883

The Venezuelan humanist prison article contains a statistic from the Venezuelan Minister of Justice that Venezuela reduced its homicide rate by 25% over the last year. I posted this in the Latin American forum:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=405x3927

"Even though homicides in some states have increased in the past year, the Minister told the press Monday, the national total decreased from 763 to 573 over the course of 2007." --Justice Minister Ramón Rodríguez Chacín

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/newsbrief/3401

Some anti-Chavez posters here at DU look for any item they can find to tear down Venezuela's scrupulously lawful, beneficial, democratically elected, leftist government. One such poster recently gave us stats on the high homicide rate in Venezuela, without noting this dramatic decrease over the last year. The big decrease means that the Chavez government, and local departments and law enforcement agencies, have been working hard on the problem. Every country has problems. Ours has the problem of a putrid justice system that has not only been politicized by the Bush Junta, but in which 75% of the people held in our prisons--prisons notorious for the prevalence of rape, overcrowding and other dehumanization--are there serving heavy sentences for non-violent crimes. Our justice system is a disaster--and that is not even to mention the horrors and utter lawlessness of prisons like Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay. Venezuela may have a homicide problem, but they are working on it. What are we doing?

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In addition to decreasing the homicide rate by 25%, the Chavez government is launching a program to humanize Venezuelan prisons, with an emphasis on family ties, worker coops and rehab. While we punish the poor, often cruelly, for petty crimes, overly-criminalize our society, and engage in the barbaric practice of state murder, Venezuela looks for solutions that will improve the lives of prisoners and give them the help they need to turn their lives around.

“'A large part of our effort in the jails is directed at the family,' the minister told the press Monday, explaining that in the new system families of inmates will be permitted to reside nearby and participate regularly in the lives of prisoners who qualify for such forms of rehabilitation.

"Also, the new prisons provide facilities for prisoners to set up cooperatives and socialist production projects in which their families may participate, 'always following the principle that those who go to jail are human beings who may be rehabilitated,' Chacín said."
--ibid

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"...always following the principle that those who go to jail are human beings who may be rehabilitated."

It's enough to make me weep, it has been so long since I've heard a humane statement like this from our government officials and politicians. We are cursed with fascist government, which serves corporations who profit from prisons, and from the police state and military boondoggle that our government has become. In Venezuela, they have a government that was actually elected and it therefore has its priorities straight. It serves the people. Does ours?

We had best reform our own society, and democracy, before we pick out the flaws in others, who are making genuine and effective efforts at social justice.

And again I ask--as I did concerning the Chavez-proposed constitutional amendment guaranteeing equal rights for gays and women--what dictator, what tyrant, ever expressed concern for the humanity of prisoners? Chavez is only a tyrant if you think like Donald Rumsfeld...

"The Smart Way to Beat Tyrants Like Chávez," by Donald Rumsfeld, 12/1/07
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/30/AR2007113001800.html
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:46 PM
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1. Sorry, have to ask this: which Democratic candidate is addressing this issue?
Ours has the problem of a putrid justice system <...> in which 75% of the people held in our prisons--prisons notorious for the prevalence of rape, overcrowding and other dehumanization--are there serving heavy sentences for non-violent crimes. Our justice system is a disaster <...> What are we doing?

I'm surprised to see many people getting so excited about the two major Democratic candidates, saying they offer hope and will bring about change, when neither of the two have addressed fundamental underlying issues like this one. They don't even dare to touch the subject. How will they change the country if they don't change the system?

By the way, with me, you're preaching to the choir. ;) I've always been an admirer of Chavez and the other Latin American revolutionaries.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:19 PM
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6. The US is the most vociferously "Christian" nation on the planet..
Christianity is supposed to be all about forgiveness.

And yet the US is the least forgiving nation on Earth.



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jaksavage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:47 PM
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2. south america is sounding better all the time.
Not just Venezuela, but all over.
I am proud of them and the effort.
I know they are at war with western power
I wish more gringos were awake.
paz
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:49 PM
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3. I share your sentiments.
Ferdinand Lugo's election in Paraguay has been the latest victory for the (indigenous) people of Latin America.
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jaksavage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:04 PM
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5. here here!!! !!!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:50 PM
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4. Jamaica should try this approach
I'm tired of the killing.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:47 PM
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7. This sort of thing has worked amazingly well in the Scandanavian countries
Glad to see Venezuela implementing similar systems.

Yet another area where we are falling way behind.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:04 AM
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8. I think you might like to read this about the Cuba prison rehabilitation system
Scroll down the page to...

LESSONS FROM OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH:
THE CUBAN PRISON SYSTEM - REFLECTIVE OBSERVATIONS 2000
by Prof. Soffiyah Elijah
Clinical Instructor
Criminal Justice Institute
Harvard Law School
http://afrocubaweb.com/elijah.htm

= =

The weekend passes, passes for family occasions and conjugal visits applies even to the US paid mercenaries/traitors (referred to by the US gov and their media minions as the 75 "dissidents") convicted a couple of years ago. (Though many of the 75 have been released for various health and family reasons.)


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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:04 AM
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9. Odd fact I just stumbled across people may want to ponder: Colombia: Women Face Prison for Abortion
Edited on Fri May-02-08 09:10 AM by Judi Lynn
Colombia: Women Face Prison for Abortion
Human Rights Watch Joins Challenge to Restrictive Abortion Laws

(New York, June 27, 2005) In Colombia, women can be imprisoned for up to four and a half years for having abortions even in cases of rape or when their lives are at risk. In a brief to Colombia’s Constitutional Court, Human Rights Watch said the country’s penal sanctions for abortion are inconsistent with international human rights obligations and should be declared unconstitutional.


"Women should be not sent to prison for having abortions,” said Marianne Mollmann, Women's Rights researcher at Human Rights Watch. “Colombia’s restrictive abortion laws violate women’s basic human rights and should be repealed.”

On April 14, Colombian lawyer Mónica del Pilar Roa López, project director at Women’s Link Worldwide, requested the court to review the country’s law on abortion and declare it unconstitutional. Roa’s office was broken into on June 16 and two computers as well as confidential files were stolen. Human Rights Watch is concerned for the safety of all personnel working on this case.

An estimated 450,000 abortions occur every year in Colombia. Recent studies indicate that a higher proportion of adolescent girls than adult women undergo illegal abortions. The consequences of illegal abortions are a leading cause of maternal mortality since illegal and unsafe abortion causes medical complications that can be fatal.

The United Nations treaty bodies that monitor the main international human rights conventions have repeatedly insisted that abortion must be decriminalized at least where the pregnant woman’s life or health is in danger, or in cases of incest or rape. Several of these U.N. bodies have openly criticized Colombia’s restrictive abortion laws, noting that they discriminate against women and violate their right to life and health.

In its submission to the Colombian Constitutional Court, Human Rights Watch also cited findings by regional human rights bodies. The Inter-American Commission on Human Rights has said that its main human rights treaty, the American Convention on Human Rights, is compatible with a woman’s right to access safe and legal abortions.

Colombia’s law prohibits abortion in all circumstances. The penalty is lighter when the pregnancy is the result of rape (or “nonconsensual artificial insemination”). In 2000, the Colombian Congress amended the penal code, adding the possibility for a judge to waive penal sanctions on a case-by-case basis. However, judges have discretion to waive penal sentences only in cases of rape and under two further conditions: if the abortion occurs in “extraordinary situations of abnormal motivation” (an ambiguous clause that requires judicial interpretation) and if the judge considers the punishment “unnecessary.” However, a later amendment in 2005 also extended the maximum sentences for abortion from three years in prison to four and a half.

“Instead of amending its laws to comply with international human rights obligations, the Colombian authorities have only imposed harsher punishments on women for exercising their human rights,” said Møllmann. “The court has an obligation to reverse this anti-constitutional development.”

http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2005/06/22/colomb11202.htm

(What kind of pathetic assholes would put the woman in ####ing PRISON??????)

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Peace Patriot, maybe Venezuela should deify murder of political opponents, raising MASS MURDER to a sacred right, by simply calling everyone you want to get rid of "the enemy," then, when you kill him/her, your vicious, savage attack on a human being will NOT be considered a violent crime, but will be termed "defense of the country!"

Colombia has horrified the entire world in its astonishing insanely vicious assaults on villages with chain saws used on living people, all guaranteed to strike fear into the hearts of people all over the world who hear about it, not to mention the ultimate resource in paralyzing an entire country with fear, and keeping them terrorized year after year after year after year.

In the U.S., movie makers keep people shrieking in their theater seats by conjuring images of deranged killers with chainsaws. In Colombia, it's all too possible they might might have to meet one up close and personally if they ever in any way can be identified as a political enemy, or even someone living in the same village with someone who has been identified as a leftist sympathizer, or a union organizer, etc., etc.

The level of fear goes UP in a country like Colombia, for every day citizens. This hellish element doesn't even enter into articles written on other countries and their real or attributed crime rates.

As in Chile, Argentina, etc., often resistance to brutal governments went dormant when the people themselves became so traumatized they lived in terror from day to day of being tortured to death, while right-wing idiots trumpeted the "victory" of the fascist government in ridding the country of political resistance, people did NOT forget what has happened to them, and how they perceived it evolved. Any government which controls by fear, which supports treacherous, vicious criminality made institutionalized and confirmed, is a government which will, when the time finally comes, be trampled underfoot and never will return for generations well into the future, until its memory is almost impossible to recall.

Venezuela is moving in the direction of IMPROVING the lives of the poor. Keeping on the same path, Venezuela will have overcome barriers to education, adequate nutrition, shelter, medical care, etc. which were insurmountable in the past, and root causes of helplessness, hopelessness, frustration and rage at institionalized cruelty and privilege which empty into the turmoil from which crime emerges.

That won't be the case in Colombia, a ship passing Venezuela in the night, as Venezuela heads toward a new day, and sunlight.
Which country would one choose in which to be poor, anyway, as if there's any doubt!

Chances for people's survival in Venezuela, regardless of how much crap is fired aloft and wildly spun, are far WORSE in Colombia than the countries struggling to get out from under the fascist boot heel.

Also, remember that in countries like Colombia, where MILLIONS of the citizens have been driven out of their homes by death squads, and the property becoming the property of the death squads, or then the Colombian government, when dislocated people in THE MILLIONS are unavailable, as part of the SECOND LARGEST HUMANITARIAN CRISIS IN THE ENTIRE WORLD, for pretty little POLLS by the government lackies, and so many other citizens neither have phones, nor are likely to be visited by pollsters to get their opinions noted, actual POLLS on popularity of little, sickly tyrants are going to be completely unreliable. It also has to be remembered since Colombian journalists have indicated they currently SELF-CENSOR, that the citizens themselves would beyond all doubt SELF CENSOR for survival when answering any questions. All stats on Colombia are going to be bogus. Even death rates, as you know, since so many people have simply vanished into thin air (later to be discovered in the only too thick dirt of mass graves) and so many are actually buried as "the enemy" when BOTH the Colombian military and the Colombian death squads count simple citizens as FARC terrorists after they kill them, a fact not lost on the human rights groups.

Sorry this is all so poorly thought out, but it's easy to see there are things going on in this U.S. taxpayer-financed little hell on earth which simply don't exist in Venezuela, so comparison of that country, or the others to fantastically twisted, perverted governments like Colombia's will be something which can't be factored and described by mere stats. Can't be done!
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:46 PM
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10. Excellent point! In a country like Venezuela, with an open government and an
open political culture, the murder and other stats are relatively honest. In a country like Colombia, which is a cauldron of fascist corruption, murder victims are often political dissidents who are 'disappeared,' buried in mass graves, to be discovered later (some of them), or their bodies are dressed up like FARC guerrillas to boost the Colombian military's "kill score," or are dismembered, making discovery of the body and the murder more difficult. Furthermore, the Uribe government has no interest in investigating murders that it was complicit in committing, or were committed by their pals, and that have political, drug trafficking or other crime motivations. You are right--Colombia's official crime stats are completely unreliable, because the government itself is involved in many murders.

There are no such things happening in Venezuela, which doesn't even have the death penalty--no state murders--and which is seeking to establish humanist policy with regard to its prisons. There is not even a hint of the kind of official murderous corruption that we see in Colombia. This may be another reason why the Bushites and their little dictator Uribe hate Chavez and the other Bolivarian leaders. They are running clean governments, focused on social justice and human rights. Evil hates virtue, and, as we see, continually plots against it--to sully, slander, besmirch. The evildoers can't stand for there to be any examples of good, democratic government on this earth.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:37 AM
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11. So many of their murders are legitimate murders and should be part of their total, absolutely!
They'll never be admitted, always ignored, and no one's looking for the "killers," as you said.

What's more, showing no interst in "solving the murders" leaves the truth hanging in the air for everyone to see: they KNOW who does the murders and probably everyone who knows the victims knows, as well. It serves as an ongoing warning to everyone to try to avoid bucking the system, becoming a "whistleblower," or trying to organize any kind of protest, or the same thing will happen to him/her, no doubt about it.

They're only as powerful as their chains of fear, the bondage of the population. There's nowhere anyone can go to hide from these creeps, as we've all read.

Remember that's what they told the paramilitary former member, staying in Canada, when they got their death threats to him up there: no one is safe anywhere.
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