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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 11:56 AM
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CENSUS JOBS COUNT....
CENSUS JOBS COUNT....

With the economy adding 162,000 jobs in March, the best month in three years, Republicans are left to come up with a new reason Americans shouldn't believe their lying eyes. The new argument is that the job totals don't really count, because so many of the new jobs are part of census-related hiring.

With Republican electoral prospects relying on a poor economy, the Republican National Committee sought to paint increased jobs numbers as "unacceptable" and "mostly from the census."

A couple of things to remember here. First, the RNC's claim is wildly misleading. Based on the data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the Census Bureau hired 48,000 workers in March. Is that "most" of 162,000? Of course not.

Second, it's not uncommon to hear Republicans suggest census jobs aren't real jobs, in part because they're temporary. But this is a short-sighted way to look at this. Matt Yglesias had a good item on this earlier.

That's obviously not going to be an enduring source of labor market strength. But it does work nicely as a convenient stimulus measure. If people get Census jobs, they'll have a bit more money to spend. And if they spend a bit more money, that creates employment opportunities for others. In essence, the Census hiring is operating like a classic countercyclical public works initiative.

Exactly. Obviously, these aren't the kind of career opportunities that last, but it's not that much different from using stimulus money on an infrastructure project -- the government pays workers to complete an important task, and those workers are then able to spend on other good and services, which in turn helps the larger economy.

In other words, census jobs count, too.



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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 11:58 AM
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1. NPR catapulted this repuke canard this morning.
Sic Transit Gloria NPR:mad:
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 12:38 PM
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3. I predicted this yesterday! It came out of the mouth of Maria Bartiroma
on Morning Joe and I thought "Hey, the new right wing meme! Right on time and so predictable!"

For some reason I can't copy and paste my response to the thread entitled "What is your expectation for tomorrow's job report?" but it's there. Grrr...
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ChicagoSuz219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 12:36 PM
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2. Someone should remind them that...
...their jobs are temporary, as well... ;-)
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 01:35 PM
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4. Those 3.3 million WPA jobs during Roosevelt probably don't count either.
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nickinSTL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 01:40 PM
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5. 3.3 million, huh?
and we're not doing something similar now, why?

Obama really needs JOBS to be the next thing he tackles - and seriously, none of this bipartisan, play nice with the party of no bs.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 01:46 PM
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6. This argument has also been made by some "Dems." HERE. Pathetic but not unexpected. n/t
Edited on Fri Apr-02-10 01:47 PM by jenmito
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 02:41 PM
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8. Well, you have people like Robert Reich
Edited on Fri Apr-02-10 02:42 PM by ProSense
trying hard to be negative: No Jobs Recovery:

The US economy added 162,000 jobs in March. Great news until you look more closely. In March, the federal government began hiring census takers big time. These are six-month temp jobs, and they tell us nothing about underlying trends in the labor market. It’s hard to gauge precisely how many were hired — probably between 100,000 and 140,000, although some estimates put the hiring as low as 48,000. Almost a million census workers will need to be hired over the next few months. Subtract these, and today’s job numbers are good but nothing to write home about.

There are some positive signs. Manufacturing payrolls expanded a bit, heath care employers added 27,000 jobs, and about 40,000 private-sector temp jobs were added. But payrolls continue to be slashed in financial services and the information industry.

Two big things to bear in mind:

First, government spending on last year’s giant stimulus is still near its peak, and the Fed continues to hold down interest rates. Without these props, it’s far from clear we’d have any job growth at all.

Second, since the start of the Great Recession, the economy has lost 8.4 million jobs and failed to create another 2.7 million needed just to keep up with population growth. That means we’re more than 11 million in the hole right now. And that hole keeps deepening every month we fail to add at least 150,000 new jobs, again reflecting population growth.

A census-taking job is better than no job, but it’s no substitute for the real thing.

Doesn't matter how you slice it, Census jobs are going to be as, or likely more, effective as any stimulus.

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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 03:11 PM
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9. Jeez. Yet even HE doesn't sound as negative as some here.
I love how he puts the number of Census workers hired at "probably between 100,000 and 140,000" when every person I heard in the "liberal" media has been citing 48,000. Talk about trying to spin something negatively. :eyes:
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 02:13 PM
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7. For some it's like healthcare reform -
nothing is better than something that's headed in the right direction.

KnR
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greencharlie Donating Member (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 03:24 PM
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10. so...
when the census jobs are finished, in 2-3 months, the jobs numbers will take a hit.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 04:05 PM
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15. "when the census jobs are finished, in 2-3 months" First,
the Census bump will continue until fall. Secondly, without it the numbers are still positive.

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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 03:33 PM
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11. they suck, actually
My wife has one - in March she made around $350. That's the entire amount she's made in 2010. But I'm sure they counted her as being employed for this month. I wonder how many months they counted her for last year, when she made $1500?

Just a dispatch from the real world, "prosense" - where these numbers aren't an abstraction...

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The census, at least locally, is a very good analogy for the stimulus, as the author of the article argues. Not really big enough - not enough money to make a real difference in the lives of Main Street America. A pittance, really. But it makes the numbers look good.
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greencharlie Donating Member (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 03:36 PM
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13. maybe
they can improve the numbers (pad the numbers) by hiring a million census workers and paying them all $100 per month?
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 05:22 PM
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18. I think, to a certain extent, that's what they're doing
This last time there was 15 hours of training and less than 10 hours of work - no more work expected until June.

The two previous times (last year), it was the same thing - too many people hired for the amount of work - so that no one really got enough hours to make more than pocket money. It was certainly nothing like a real "job"... but it counts as one when the employment numbers come out.
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secondwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 03:36 PM
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12. Bush counted full-time Ebay sellers as "employed people"..........heck.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 03:45 PM
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14. This is how I thought of the census workers. Anyway, let's hope the trend continues
Let's hope we continue to hear excuses like this - it's a sign that things are getting better.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 04:26 PM
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16. Best job creation in 3 years is "unacceptable?"
Edited on Fri Apr-02-10 04:27 PM by high density
Where the heck was the GOP whining when Bush's job growth didn't even keep up with population growth? How about after their trillion dollars in deficit-bulging tax cuts created zero jobs and instead led to huge job losses?
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 04:52 PM
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17. What argument will they make for the April #s ...
and Mays #s .....
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