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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 04:51 PM
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Kerry on FCC Court Case

Kerry on FCC Court Case

WASHINGTON, D.C. – Senator John Kerry (D-Mass.), Chairman of the Commerce Subcommittee on Communications, Technology, and the Internet, today released a statement following a decision from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia that the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) lacks the authority to oversee internet traffic restrictions by internet providers like Comcast.

“This is a history-making decision. It appears to vacate the authority of the FCC to conduct oversight over broadband service and the telephone and cable giants that own the wires,” said Sen. Kerry. “I am not advocating that the FCC reclassify broadband services as a result of this decision, but I absolutely believe they maintain that legal authority and it would be entirely consistent with the history of communications law in our country if they did. In fact, in cases involving FCC classification of services, the Supreme Court has always deferred to the agency. It is likely to continue doing so if the agency reversed and provided a strong rationale for updating the Bush era classification of broadband service.

“Broadband was in its nascent stages when the Bush Administration established its policy, but is now an integral part of our economy, the way we communicate, and our daily lives. Without oversight, market giants would be free to do as they wish even if their actions hindered the free flow of information, treated consumers unfairly, or discriminated against content creators. In the long run, we may need a new legal and regulatory framework for broadband, especially if reclassifying broadband as a telecommunications service proves too difficult to administer. I am willing to work with all interested parties on the construction of that framework. But the FCC can and must continue the role it has always played protecting consumers and encouraging the deployment of networks through the development of every communications technology, from the telephone to radio and television to wireless communications.

“I was a member of the Senate Commerce Committee during consideration of the Telecommunications Act of 1996. I know the Congress did not intend for cable and telephone broadband internet service providers to fall outside the authority of the FCC to protect consumers, protect against discrimination, provide public safety officials with priority access to service, ensure that people with disabilities are given consideration, or ensure that modern communications are available to everyone in America.”


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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 04:58 PM
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1. Bush packed this court with pro-fascism judges. The RW faithful have no clue all their pet issues
Edited on Tue Apr-06-10 04:59 PM by blm
were just smokescreens while the fascists were furthering their corporatist agenda.

Fools.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 06:00 PM
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2. Damn those fascists and their corporatist agenda.
It sure is a relief they're all gone these days.

Oh, wait...
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 07:53 PM
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13. none of the three judges in this case were appointed by chimpy
Edited on Tue Apr-06-10 07:55 PM by onenote
One Reagan, one bush 1, and one Clinton.

(The bush 1 judge was Jimmy Carter's solicitor general.)

Decisions such as this have little to do with the underlying substantive issue and much to do with principles of administrative law.

If Kevin Martin (former repub chairman of the FCC) hadn't been so dead set to "get" Comcast because they wouldn't subscribe to his fundie anti-indecency agenda and if Mike Copps and Jonathan Adelstein hadn't been so anxious to go along with what they had to know was a weak order, this court case could've been avoided.
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bluethruandthru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 07:05 PM
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3. He needs to get to work and give the FCC authority over broadband. ASAP. n/t
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 07:42 PM
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9. YES, thank you, blue.
Getting annoyed with some here!
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bluethruandthru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:13 PM
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28. A little too much jerking of the knees!
:-)
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 07:22 PM
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4. PLEASE STOP CURSING COURTS! They do their jobs, well.
They do LEGAL analysis, NOT POLICY analysis.

blue is correct. Congress MUST COME UP WITH COMPLETE LEGISLATION.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 07:22 PM
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5. It's easier to see whose side you're on. n/t
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 07:40 PM
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7. CUT IT OUT
I'm an LAWYER, I'm on the side of the LAW.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 07:46 PM
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11. CAN YOU STOP TYPING IN ALL CAPS?
So you're a lawyer. So is Ken Starr.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 07:52 PM
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 07:56 PM
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15. here, i'll post all in lower case: you don't know what you're talking about
i'd bet money you haven't followed this case, haven't read the underlying order, read the briefs, or read the decision.

i have, and it was a loser from the get go. a bad order put out by a vindictive repub chairman and bought into by two democratic commissioner who should have known better and, in the case of mike copps, all but admitted that today after the order came out.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 07:59 PM
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18. Oh
really?

Despite the condescending tone, some things are not that hard to understand.

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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:07 PM
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23. yep. really.
The point isn't whether the FCC should have the authority to regulate ISP network management practices (I happen to think they do). Its whether they have that authority now and/or whether they made the case legally to the court. The answer to the latter two questions are: maybe and definitely not.

Mike Copps, who supported the decision, and who thinks the FCC has the ability to adopt rules (a process it didn't use when it tried to go after Comcast which is one of the reasons it failed), had this to say about a decision that he clearly doesn't like: "My criticism today is not of the Court, but of my own FCC for the bad policy choices it has made. It is time that we stop doing the “ancillary authority” dance and instead rely on the statute Congress gave us to stand on solid legal ground in safeguarding the benefits of the Internet for American consumers."

If you want an explanation of what Copps was referring to with respect to the "ancillary authority" dance, read here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4333930&mesg_id=4334474 (post number 47)

But feel free to ignore this and remain uninformed.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:12 PM
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27. "But feel free to ignore this and remain uninformed." Get over yourself. n/t
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:17 PM
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30. I'll take that as a "Yep, I'm happy to be an uniformed ranter."
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:19 PM
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32. Take it any way you want to if it makes you feel intelligent. n/t
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:19 PM
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33. I' m rubber, you're glue, etc etc etc
:rofl:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:22 PM
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35. I know, I know.
You're a lawyer. Knee jerk, check.

:rofl:

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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:09 PM
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24. And you don't know what you're talking about,
as others have said.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:18 PM
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31. You went from shouting that this would require an act of Congress
to acknowledging that there are other possible scenarios. Knee jerk reactions often ignore all the facts.

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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:26 PM
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37. There MAY be other approaches, and I'm glad some are thinking.
Lawyers know there are usually more than one way to skin cats, ALWAYS more than shouting and ranting. Too many here don't know more than calling names, unfortunately.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 07:36 PM
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6. This court had/has an AGENDA - it's STACKED with corporatists. There's nothing FAIR or
Edited on Tue Apr-06-10 07:37 PM by blm
analytical about this court.

You want analysis? Analyze the records of the Bush appointees you are so eager to defend.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 07:41 PM
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8. I'm a lawyer.
I'll show you some Tatel decisions.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 07:45 PM
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10. That doesn't change the FACT that Bush stacked this court with pro-corporate activist judges.
.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:01 PM
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20. that doesn't change the FACT that your "fact" is wrong
There are 13 active judges on the DC circuit. Three of them were put there by chimpy, the same number as appointed by Clinton. There is one Carter appointee, four Reagan and two bush 1.

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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:07 PM
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22. Thanks so much, onenote.
Have to catch my breath about all the foolishness around here.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:25 PM
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36. And the ones that tipped the balance to the corporatists were put there by Bush2. STACKED court.
Edited on Tue Apr-06-10 08:34 PM by blm
Bush2 tapped ALL corporatists....just like he did with the Supreme Court.

Why pretend otherwise?

I rail against the WHOLE of it - the general overview.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:53 PM
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39. two of the three judges named by chimpy to the DC Circuit replaced Reagan appointees
Not a lot of "balance shifting"
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 09:03 PM
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41. eh...the current crop so far seem to be bolder advocates for the corporatist agenda.
And don't even care how PUBLIC they are about it.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:00 PM
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19. One Judge Tatel decision, against BushCo.
In Re: Grand Jury Subpoena, Judith Miller, 397 F.3d 964 (D.C. Cir. 2005): While investigating the Valerie Plame affairPlame affair
Matthew Cooper is a former reporter for Time who, along with New York Times reporter Judith Miller was held in contempt of court and threatened with imprisonment for refusing to testify before the Grand Jury regarding the Valerie Plame CIA leak investigation...
regarding their communications with Scooter Libby. Refusing to testify before the grand jury, Miller spent ninety days in jail for civil contempt. The D.C. Circuit unanimously upheld the contempt decision. Judge Tatel concurred, suggesting that there is a federal common law, qualified journalist privilege, but that it was not met in this case because the grand jury’s need for the journalists’ testimony outweighed the burden of disclosure on newsgathering.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:09 PM
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25. judge tatel is a distinguished former civil rights and education lawyer/activist
He helped found the Chicago Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, served as Director of the National Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, and was Director of the Office for Civil Rights of the United States Department of Health, Education, and Welfare under Jimmy Carter. That some folks on DU are calling him a corporatist or suggesting he was "bought" is simply disgusting.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:12 PM
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26. I agree, and I'm thrilled to hear from you, onenote!
MAY allow me to settle down, a bit. After all, if WE all don't have some respect for our institutions, what WILL become of us?
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 07:57 PM
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17. the 3-judge panel that decided this case wasn't stacked with bush appointees
but don't let the facts get in the way of your uninformed rant
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 07:57 PM
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16. Evidently, as Senator Kerry points out, that's not the only option
<...>

What does this mean for the fight over network neutrality?

Less than you might expect. The issues in the case are quite technical, and don't go to the merits of whether network neutrality is good or bad policy or promotes or inhibits freedom of speech or innovation. Instead, the decision simply says that the FCC's jurisdiction to issue rules ancillary to its general authority to regulate telecommunications is not sufficiently broad to include network neutrality rules for broadband providers.

What happens next? There are at least three possibilities for proponents of network neutrality (and three reasons why Comcast and the rest of the broadband industry shouldn't pop the champagne corks just yet).

1. The Supreme Court overturns the D.C. Circuit on the scope of the FCC's ancillary jurisdiction, and the FCC goes on to fight the other issues in the case. One reason why the Supreme Court might reverse is because of its Brand X decision, in which it upheld the FCC's decision in its 2002 Cable Modem Order to treat broadband providers not as common carriers subject to regulation under Title II of the Federal Communications Act, but rather as "information services" which would be subject to much less stringent regulations. Brand X was premised on the assumption that the FCC might still regulate broadband providers, even if they were classified as "information services" and not subject to the more stringent requirements of Title II. The D.C. Circuit has declared these parts of Brand X dicta or read them very narrowly. The Supreme Court might disagree.

2. Congress might amend the Federal Communications Act to create a new source of jurisdiction to regulate broadband. To do this one would need at least 60 votes in the Senate. Good luck with that. Comcast and other broadband providers probably could exert influence in both parties to prevent broad new regulatory authority to the FCC.

<...>

It's possible that the FCC will simply see if it can get a reversal in the Supreme Court. That will take many more years of litigation. But the FCC might decide that the better solution is to retrace its steps, correct the mistake it made in 2002, and reassert Title II authority over broadband. Doing this would give the FCC the tools it needs to deal with the regulatory problems of the future.

link


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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:03 PM
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21. I'm glad to see that SOMEONE is doing some THINKING about this.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:17 PM
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29. reality check
The Supreme Court could take the case and reverse, but I wouldn't bet on it. In fact, I wouldn't bet on them taking the case. It was a 3-0 decision and there is no split in the circuits. So, while they might take it because of the asserted conflict between what a unanimous court (in a Thomas opinion) said in the Brand X, case, I still think its unlikely.

Legislation in the immediate near term also is unlikely.

What may be most likely is reclassifying Internet service as Title II service. But that will be met with an immediate appeal and runs its own risk since that unanimous court in Brand X agreed with the FCC's previous determination that internet service was NOT a Title II service. Now, the courts allow agencies to change their minds, but they need a good reason and I'm not sure that its a good reason when its simply the predictable fruits of the original determination.

Ultimately, this is going to be worked out as a political compromise with the Comcast, the big phone companies, the consumer groups, google, et al all having a say in the outcome.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:20 PM
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34. "but I wouldn't bet on it."
Ooh, hardcore facts.

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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:49 PM
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38. you want to bet on it? I'm game.
I'll donate $100 bucks to DU if the court takes the case and reverses. If they don't, you donate $5.

I've been a communications lawyer for three decades. When I offer an opinion on this stuff, its an informed opinion.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:56 PM
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40. Here's the thing
Opinions and facts are valuable, but please don't pretend that your opinions or speculations are the last word. There are many experienced people who disagree about outcomes and what comes next. The RW is full of people who have extensive credentials who are hacks.

The thread is Senator Kerry's statement. He is close to the issue and informed. He made perfect sense. There are numerous analyses on the subject not written by you. The knee jerk and chest thumping is unnecessary.



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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 09:54 PM
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42. Senator Kerry's statement
Edited on Tue Apr-06-10 10:20 PM by onenote
Here is a link to Senator Kerry's statement. What I wrote is completely consistent with what he said.
http://kerry.senate.gov/cfm/record.cfm?id=323633
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 07:53 PM
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14. I was disappointed in the decision today, but I agree with Senator Kerry, the FCC should continue to
do all it can to ensure the publics' interests are protected. Damn Comcast, they are quickly becoming way to powerful.
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