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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:52 PM Original message |
The Bush administration's abuses of our need for protection has driven us insane. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
1. Violent crime has plummeted, yet more people feel the 'need' to carry concealed weapons. nt |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
2. Seriously! The dude is ON A PLANE right now.... |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 11:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. He has taken the generally progressive side on nuclear weapons, muslim world relations and Israel. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 11:01 PM Response to Original message |
4. Great post |
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neverforget (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 11:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Declare an American citizen a terrorist and then you can kill them |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 11:06 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Or just not declare them a terrorist and shoot them anyway if they resist arrest and try to flee. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 11:06 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. That's not what is happening here. |
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neverforget (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 11:20 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. What is happening? My problem with this is the abuse that can and probably |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 11:23 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. If this were actually an abuse and actually set any real precedent, you would have reason to worry. |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:46 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Where are you assurances of that? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:49 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. This isn't the "use of a death squad". You might as well be talking about death panels. |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:50 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Why, Presidents in the past have used them before. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:21 AM Response to Reply #20 |
31. It depends on how you're defining "death squad". |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:28 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Well, Nicaragua, Chile, Cambodia, Iran... |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:52 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. I wasn't aware your intelligence was easily insulted. My apologies. |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 03:13 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Considering that the CIA funded and trained them, usually with a presidential knowledge... |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 05:06 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. lol, well, it's more transparent now |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 07:02 AM Response to Reply #13 |
41. It is precedent. I may be abuse. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:37 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. History's a pretty good place to look for lessons. |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:02 AM Response to Reply #15 |
28. No, but it could be like Iran-Contra, Chile, Cambodia, or Laos... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 11:16 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. There is nothing hawkish in what I said. |
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DebbieCDC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 11:19 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. "authorizing the use of deadly force against anyone guilty of plotting serious terrorist attacks" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 11:22 PM Response to Reply #10 |
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Patchuli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 11:28 PM Response to Original message |
14. You have to remember however |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:42 AM Response to Original message |
16. So we are to destroy the Judicial system for safety? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:50 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. What a bunch of over the top mischaracterization. |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:51 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. First off, I find the law in question to be idiotic, but that's neither here nor there... |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:09 AM Response to Reply #16 |
22. What he said. |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:10 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. I'm simply appalled at how many people will throw out due process... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:21 AM Response to Reply #23 |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:31 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. How does it not stand in the way of due process? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:40 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. The authorization was to CAPTURE or if that isn't possible, then kill. |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:43 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. In that case why didn't Obama just ask for a federal warrant for the guy's arrest? |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:17 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Obama should file a Better Business Bureau complaint, too! |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:21 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Its called diplomacy, I know its passe, and we prefer to blow things up before we even... |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:28 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Diplomacy requires two sides. |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:30 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Is diplomacy even being attempted, and no, not like how Bush tried... |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:46 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. We have more leverage with Kim Jong Il. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 07:03 AM Response to Reply #16 |
42. And, that is how the terrorists win. |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 06:10 AM Response to Original message |
39. Treason is a capital offense, punishable by death |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 06:17 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Thanks Lunatica, because this is sort of what I'm seeing. n/t |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:34 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Treason is something a person must be CONVICTED OF |
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Nancy Waterman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
43. Thank you for this post. |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
45. K and R |
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Tutonic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
46. I prefer to believe that mass insanity occurred when we allowed |
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