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denimgirly (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 10:36 PM Original message |
PBS Frontline: "Obama's Deal" (FULL VIDEO - 60 mins HD) |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
1. he has absolute choice to not do their bidding if he chooses to nt |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 10:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. He often gets the benefit of the doubt. Beats me why. The secret meetings with PhRMA, etc. lost me |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 11:56 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. He gets the benefit of the doubt because he has earned it. |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 05:31 AM Response to Reply #8 |
15. There is no doubt, he met with Phrma and the hospital lobby and cut deals. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 07:12 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. And I understand that happens. But the secrecy of it is a problem. nt |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 07:32 AM Response to Reply #20 |
27. If it's so secret, then how come everyone knows about it? Hmmm??? n/t |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 07:47 AM Response to Reply #27 |
33. We found out months later. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 07:51 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. If it was really so "secret" then you wouldn't have found out at all. n/t |
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hulka38 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 08:49 PM Response to Reply #34 |
56. The political calculation is that only a small minority will find out about it, |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 09:05 PM Original message |
Uh huh. And what are the "correct conclusions" according to you? n/t |
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hulka38 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-10 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
82. Watch the investigative report from Frontline. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 10:01 PM Response to Reply #34 |
66. Knowing of an event and knowing the details. Is there a difference? |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-10 03:43 AM Response to Reply #34 |
69. By that way of thinking, Nixon wasn't doing anything 'secretive' because we found out about it? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-10 12:11 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Apples and oranges. The deal was not "secret". There were no gag orders from the White House. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-10 03:23 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Here's a quote from the article: |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. So what? Reporters are always trying to stir up shit. The WH never asked anyone to keep quiet... |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-10 11:11 PM Response to Reply #77 |
86. This, from your post, makes no sense |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:14 AM Response to Reply #86 |
97. It makes perfect sense to folks who understand the Constitution. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 11:26 AM Response to Reply #97 |
106. I understand the constitution |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 12:28 PM Response to Reply #106 |
112. It doesn't appear that you understand the part about separate but co-equal branches of government.. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 06:30 PM Response to Reply #112 |
142. I understand your position is the President making a deal on the legislation |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 09:34 PM Response to Reply #142 |
154. Good. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 07:34 AM Response to Reply #15 |
28. So what? The "deals" obviously weren't that good because they still spent billion$ opposing HCR. n/t |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-10 03:34 AM Response to Reply #28 |
67. The hospital corporations made out big time from their deal and, in return, they spent |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #67 |
78. Do you have proof that "hospital corporations made out big time from their deal"? |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 12:21 AM Response to Reply #78 |
90. Yes, I do |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:27 AM Response to Reply #90 |
99. That's not proof, that's polemic. Yes, I do need a source. HCR doesn't take effect until Jan. 1... |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 10:27 AM Response to Reply #99 |
104. Well, I believe the fact that is not in dispute is once the mandate kicks in |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 10:56 AM Response to Reply #104 |
105. You keep making unsubstantiated claims. Obviously you have no proof for any of them. n/t |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 11:38 AM Response to Reply #105 |
107. "Uncompensated care" has been the rationale for high hospital costs for 20 years or more. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 12:23 PM Response to Reply #107 |
111. You claimed that "hospital corporations made out big time from their deal". Prove it. n/t |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 12:39 PM Response to Reply #111 |
115. It's not rocket science. If you go from providing a bunch of free care |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 12:53 PM Response to Reply #115 |
117. Then why don't you point out the pertinent part of the HCR law that proves your polemic? n/t |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 01:26 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. How would the current bill not increase hospital profits? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #120 |
123. I never made that claim. However, you made a claim that you obviously cannot prove. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 01:42 PM Response to Reply #123 |
127. There is nothing in the bill that changes reimbursement rates |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #127 |
129. Hospitals should get paid for the uninsured patients they treat rather than going bankrupt. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 02:17 PM Response to Reply #129 |
133. That money is the subsidies they previously got to cover uncompensated care |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 06:14 PM Response to Reply #133 |
140. Nevertheless, HCR law is cutting them out, to taxpayers' benefit. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 06:49 PM Response to Reply #140 |
143. HCR is not a death knell for certain hospitals |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 07:35 PM Response to Reply #143 |
146. You're splitting hairs. Many of these "new" hospitals have been on the planning books for years. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 07:56 PM Response to Reply #146 |
147. Across the board or not, I have no doubt the for profit hospital corps are going to be doing just |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:11 PM Response to Reply #147 |
148. I was merely making a point. I am fine with hospitals making a profit under HCR... |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:39 PM Response to Reply #148 |
151. The last big push to clear out waste and fraud in Medicare was a joke |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 09:07 PM Response to Reply #151 |
152. Perhaps your expectations were too high, given the Congress we have in the election year they have. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 09:34 PM Response to Reply #152 |
155. Thanks for the hug. We won't agree, obviously |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #78 |
126. Deleted message |
Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 02:04 PM Response to Reply #28 |
131. They spent "billions" supporting health care reform too. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 07:05 AM Response to Reply #8 |
19. Au contraire. I campaigned for him and have helped OFA. He's not a progressive. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 07:31 AM Response to Reply #19 |
26. Sure ya did. And President Obama is a liberal but he's also a pragmatist who gets things done. |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 08:16 PM Response to Reply #26 |
50. I love and appreciate the distinction, clarkie, |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 08:59 PM Response to Reply #50 |
58. Happy to do it, elleng, if only to earn your rare praise. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-10 03:37 AM Response to Reply #26 |
68. He may not ever have been a DLC member but he did state he is a "New Democrat" |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-10 04:06 PM Response to Reply #68 |
79. That's false. Barack Obama has rejected membership in the DLC since 2003 for good reason. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-10 11:43 PM Response to Reply #79 |
89. Now, where did I say he was a DLC member? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:17 AM Response to Reply #89 |
98. A dubious quote from unnamed sources by a Politico media whore is no substitute for the truth. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 11:43 AM Response to Reply #98 |
108. I provided 2 sources where President Obama was quoted as saying he is a New Democrat |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 12:13 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. You're being disingenous. The Slate piece quoted the Politico piece which quoted unnamed "sources". |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #110 |
113. It doesn't matter what your source is. You are trying to disprove a claim I didn't make. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 12:46 PM Response to Reply #113 |
116. Not at all. Are you aware that "New Democrat" is a synonym for DLC membership? |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 01:03 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. I am aware many distanced themselves from the DLC as they were revealed more for what they were |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #118 |
119. Here's what facts look like: "Obama defends 'liberal' label - First Read - msnbc.com" Feb. 28, 2008 |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #119 |
124. That's from 2008? Anything more recent? Cause he was on FOX a few weeks ago bragging about |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #124 |
125. You're being disingenous again. Full transcript, hmmm? Video link? Nice try at spin, though. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 01:45 PM Response to Reply #125 |
128. If you missed all the links to his interview on FOX, then you did. Most here saw it |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 02:23 PM Response to Reply #128 |
134. Just as I thought. Your "bragging" spin is disingenuous at worst and highly subjective at best. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 02:35 PM Response to Reply #134 |
136. I don't think anyone had any doubt you agree with the President's approach |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 03:21 PM Response to Reply #136 |
137. Deleted message |
laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 03:28 PM Response to Reply #137 |
138. It's so good to see you, Freddie! Are you back from Venice? |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 01:49 AM Response to Reply #138 |
156. Still stuck in the airport. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 06:24 PM Response to Reply #136 |
141. I am a pragmatic liberal like the President so I don't see the perfect as the enemy of the good. n/t |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 06:56 PM Response to Reply #141 |
144. However you want to see it. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 07:28 PM Response to Reply #144 |
145. That's the way I see it, alright. It's easy to criticize from behind a keyboard for days on end... |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:23 PM Response to Reply #145 |
149. I will always believe we could have done better |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:35 PM Response to Reply #149 |
150. Under HCR, families who make < $40K will pay ~ $2000 for HC that costs over $11K... |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 09:30 PM Response to Reply #150 |
153. I believe the figure you quote is for the premium |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 01:49 AM Response to Reply #141 |
157. How original. nt. |
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Dr Morbius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 07:43 AM Response to Reply #19 |
30. He's not a progressive? |
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Raine1967 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 07:58 AM Response to Reply #30 |
35. +1 |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 08:22 PM Response to Reply #30 |
51. These labels confound me! |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #30 |
130. Progress to where? |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #19 |
132. They only thing that matters is record. Pretty simple. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 07:27 AM Response to Reply #2 |
25. Yeah, sure. You never "found" him. And if they're so "secret" then how do you know about it? n/t |
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SkyDaddy7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 12:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
114. Yeah, right... |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
3. He always has a choice |
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skeptical cynic (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 11:06 PM Response to Original message |
4. We live in interesting times |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 11:45 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Obama made deals in order that we get something to build on...... |
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skeptical cynic (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 12:35 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. "You don't like politics? Don't run for office." |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 07:13 AM Response to Reply #10 |
21. Deleted message |
PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 08:53 PM Response to Reply #6 |
57. It gets awfully tiresome to constantly be goaded into betting heavily on an inside straight |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-10 03:46 AM Response to Reply #6 |
70. That's what we kept hearing. However, I notice all we still hear is defense of the really inadequate |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-10 12:18 PM Response to Reply #6 |
73. There are other ways to act politically than to "run for office." |
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pundaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 02:27 AM Response to Reply #6 |
158. We didn't get anything new to build upon. Insurance companies already were in charge, now they are |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 05:17 PM Response to Reply #4 |
42. delete - wrong reply |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 08:28 PM Response to Reply #4 |
52. Labels don't mean anything, |
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madamesilverspurs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 11:45 PM Response to Original message |
5. Made Baucus look like a piece of shit. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 07:14 AM Response to Reply #5 |
22. And the president trusted him to set the HCR debate for Dems. I don't know why unless the President |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 07:45 AM Response to Reply #22 |
31. Pres. Obama wanted Congress to do it because the Clintons screwed up HCR by writing HCR w/o Congress |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-10 12:22 PM Response to Reply #31 |
74. It was a very ugly and dispiriting process nonetheless. |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #5 |
75. I'm not a fan of either Baucus or Daschle but |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 11:52 PM Response to Original message |
7. Odd how Frontline chose to cut out the part where Obama went to the GOP retreat..... |
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Raine1967 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 08:02 AM Response to Reply #7 |
36. We thought it was off at first as well, however |
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lordcommander (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 11:58 PM Response to Original message |
9. After i saw this....I cannot blame the President |
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Peace_Sells (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 01:07 AM Response to Original message |
11. Disappointment. |
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davidpdx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 01:58 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. That figures |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 03:17 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. They interviewed Ms. Insurance Blond lying Gal herself...... |
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davidpdx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 03:18 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. delousing indeed |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 08:34 PM Response to Reply #13 |
53. Ignani. |
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jbnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 06:05 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. I didn't think they were too unfair to Obama but I agreethe completely missed |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 04:09 PM Response to Reply #11 |
41. To be fair, I doubt it's possible to tell this story in an hour |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 08:44 PM Response to Reply #41 |
55. They were probably just so damn tired of talking about it! |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 06:16 AM Response to Original message |
17. Hey, thanks for the link. |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 06:25 AM Response to Original message |
18. I saw part of it and thought it was a huge disappointment. |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 10:17 AM Response to Reply #18 |
39. agreed saw the last 30 minutes of it.. |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 07:20 AM Response to Original message |
23. The mental gymnastics to justify Obama's actions in the Pharma. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 08:02 AM Response to Reply #23 |
37. "The mental gymnastics to" demonize "Obama's actions in the Pharma." are what's really "fascinating" |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-10 03:47 AM Response to Reply #37 |
71. Hospital corporations spent $155 million on ads promoting the HCR bill |
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Bobbie Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-10 04:50 PM Response to Reply #71 |
80. No big mystery here, they want to get paid rather than |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-10 11:31 PM Response to Reply #80 |
88. The deal was to make sure there was no public option |
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Bobbie Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:10 AM Response to Reply #88 |
96. Link? |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 01:28 PM Response to Reply #96 |
121. You need a link to prove there's a mandate and no public option in the bill??? nt |
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Bobbie Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #121 |
139. Just a link to back up your assertions. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 07:24 AM Response to Original message |
24. Yeah, that's why insurance companies & the Chamber of Commerce spent billion$ trying to defeat HCR |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 07:39 AM Response to Original message |
29. (sigh) Hospitals are not happy. Doctors are not happy. |
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robinblue (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 07:47 AM Response to Original message |
32. Obama had choices. He made the |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 08:24 AM Response to Reply #32 |
38. Prove that Pres. Obama did the "opposite of what he said over and over on the stump." |
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robinblue (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 06:50 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. His refrain was for lobby reform in DC yet it ruled HCR. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 07:01 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. I said prove it. Your one-liners are mere polemic without proof. n/t |
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robinblue (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 07:23 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. You can look it up as well as I can but lets not waste time as |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 07:41 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. lol! You're busted. Don't "waste time" making further baseless remarks because it's obvious... |
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robinblue (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-10 05:42 PM Response to Reply #48 |
81. You already know the evidence (the truth) but are unwilling to take your |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-10 06:12 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. How would I "know the evidence" when you consistently refuse to offer any for your polemic? n/t |
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joe black (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-10 07:30 PM Response to Reply #38 |
84. Everyone at the table.... |
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joe black (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-10 07:30 PM Response to Reply #38 |
85. Everyone at the table.... |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 12:00 PM Response to Reply #38 |
109. "He also said there's a seat for everyone at the table" |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
40. That was great! I was riveted. |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
43. This is an attempt to discredit the President |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 07:08 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Well-said! |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
49. So people are unrec'ing Frontline now? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 08:36 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. I wasn't aware that Frontline enjoyed saintly status among MSM whoredom. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 09:13 PM Response to Reply #54 |
61. Frontline is the last line of defense |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 09:20 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Um, no. It's stacked with BushCo-appointed pro-GOP leadership, as this programming illustrates. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 01:17 AM Response to Reply #63 |
91. Deleted message |
robinblue (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 01:55 AM Response to Reply #91 |
94. thanks for the info. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:47 AM Response to Reply #91 |
101. Kirk is a convenient means to an end. His bio gives BushCo PBS leadership plausible cover. |
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Robeson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 09:05 PM Response to Reply #49 |
60. No doubt. |
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Bobbie Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 09:35 PM Response to Reply #49 |
64. Who cares about "unrec'ing?" |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:50 AM Response to Reply #49 |
102. Kinda Like Sheep, Isn't It? (nt) |
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Robeson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
59. That was an excellent show. It's pretty sad that some just can't watch it... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 09:16 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Deleted message |
ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 09:45 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. That was a show that was content-approved by PBS' BushCo-appointed leadership. |
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coti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 01:19 AM Response to Reply #65 |
93. Again, see the ACTUAL information provided about the producer himself above. nt |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:36 AM Response to Reply #93 |
100. The BushCo PBS leadership is smart enough to find plausible cover for their agenda. |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-10 11:27 PM Response to Original message |
87. Overall, it was a good doc. However, I was upset that they didn't uncover the corporate |
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tomm2thumbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 01:17 AM Original message |
thanks for posting - saving |
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tomm2thumbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 01:17 AM Response to Original message |
92. thanks for posting - saving |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 02:49 AM Response to Original message |
95. A decent watch |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
103. "Obama's Deal" |
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craigmatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
122. Yes he cut deals with pharma and insurance lobbies but the thing that pisses me off is |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 02:23 PM Response to Reply #122 |
135. +1000 |
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ProgressOnTheMove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 03:03 AM Response to Original message |
159. This is just about midterms everyone knows what happened. The main iit reduces costs and ... |
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