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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 08:55 AM
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the national tone at the moment of the OKC bombing
Edited on Wed Apr-14-10 09:19 AM by Kurt_and_Hunter
I remember this well...

Violent-minded wing-nuttery had been building every day since Clinton was elected. It was palpable.

News crossed of the OKC bombing. Even though the World Trade Center had been bombed by muslim radicals the previous year it was obvious that OKC was some sort of RW tax-protester anti-government thing because 1) no muslim terrorist given a truck full of ammonium nitrate would drive it to a federal building in Oklahoma City, and 2) the RW had been talking about striking violently against the federal bureaucracy for a solid year.

Terror bombing targets are symbolic. A drab federal office building in the very middle of American backwardness has little symbolic value to anyone except Turner Diaries devotees.

But the news media quickly gravitated to the 'obvious' answer that Saddam Hussein had done it. Granted, it was believed at that time that he had tried to kill Bush I, but my nose still stings today from the Coca-Cola that erupted through it from laughter when I first pictured Saddam Hussein in the war room dramatically stabbing his finger at Oklahoma City on a map. "And here is where we will break them..."

But the media took it as the obvious working theory... despite the fact that America's most popular radio shows talked about little other than that somebody probably out to execute some federal bureaucrats. (Always 'joking' of course.)

But for the first day of coverage it was Iraq, Iraq, Iraq. As a result I got to learn that Oklahoma City had "a large Iraqi population." That was mentioned ad naseum the day of the bombing.

The OKC bombing was solved through one of the niftiest and fastest investigations in the history of the FBI. And they were able to move so sure-footedly partly because Bill Clinton and Al Gore were not underfoot at FBI headquarters ordering people to link the OKC bombing to Iraq.

Notice two patterns associated with 9/11 that were actually in place years before:

1) Americans think muslim terrorists are keen on attacking the dregs of heartland America. To this very day fears of muslim terror are higher the smaller and more isolated the locale. Look at all the money we spent after 9/11 terror-proofing landfills in Kansas and such.

2) The assumption fifteen years ago was the same as the assumption on 9/11... that even though we knew who did it because it's all they talked about (militia-types and Al Queada respectively) the 'smart' insider assumption was that it was Iraq. Just because.

And some of the crackpots who blamed Iraq for 9/11 (minor figures like the Vice President of the United States) did so partially based on their ongoing conviction that Iraq had indeed been behind the OKC bombing! Even after McVeigh was executed Cheney believed Iraq had been behind OKC. After 9/11 Cheney was giving people in the halls of power copies of that mad-woman's book claiming the Saddam-McVeigh connection.

On the OKC anniversary Friday Dick Cheney will be watching FOX and congratulating himself for having solved and avenged the crime via arranging the premature deaths of about a million people in Iraq who had never heard of Oklahoma.

It's like the last scene in the movie UNBREAKABLE.
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ericinne Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 09:06 AM
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1. What's sad...
What's sad, is if I turned on the TV, and exactly one hour from now, I hear a breaking news story about some bombing or other terrorist attack happening in America. Without hearing any other details, my first thought would NOT be of Muslims commiting the act, but rather domestic terrorist teahadist talibaptists.
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ericinne Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:50 AM
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3. Ah man, I would have to say that !!
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:16 AM
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2. I remember that day too
I knew it was a domestic attack... yet all the media was saying that first day was Iraq Iraq Iraq... i thought Bullshit if it were an attack from another country why Oklahoma? the only reason I could think of was it was smack in the middle of the country. I expected Saddam or somebody else to claim "See we can attack at will in the heart of your country... yet NO...

late that night just before bed, I heard on the late news they had arrested a suspect. the next morning 'ol Timmy Mc was on the box. and I thought how can the media be so stupid.


Bit off topic but relevant
My insurance company has forced a "Terrorism" rider on my apartment building... I am certain the Building will never be anywhere near "collateral" damaged nor a victim of any actual direct attack. (Domestic or Foreign) As The Federal Buildings/Banks are all miles away. yet I must cough up an additional 400 a month or loose the coverage.

for What??? redneck middle American paranoia??

what I do worry about? What Keeps me up at night???? the boiler going out... (no Heat/Hot water for my tenants.) The insurance company STILL keeps "forgetting" to place THAT rider on the policy for three years Now.

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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:55 AM
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4. Perhaps it's my tin foil hat, but I don't see McVeigh and Nichols doing this alone. eom
Edited on Wed Apr-14-10 10:55 AM by ShortnFiery
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 11:01 AM
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5. Whatever happened to John Doe # 2? n/t
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 11:06 AM
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6. Excellent Point. No idea - Down the Memory Hole? eom
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 11:36 AM
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8. Here is an interesting article written in 2001 for Salon
The mystery of John Doe No. 2
The McVeigh execution may proceed as planned, but suspicions that there was at least one other accomplice to the Oklahoma City bombing still won't die.

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By David Neiwert

June 9, 2001 | The main thing Joann Van Buren says she remembers about Timothy McVeigh is the $50 bill he wanted her to break. That, and the two men who accompanied him.

One day before he tore a hole in the nation's psyche with the bomb that destroyed Oklahoma City's Murrah Federal Building, McVeigh, Van Buren says, pulled up to the little Subway sandwich shop where she worked in Junction City, Kansas, driving the yellow Ryder truck that would contain the bomb.

Van Buren didn't pay any particular attention to them at first. Another clerk waited on the men, but when they tried to pay for their meal with a large bill, she took notice.

"As soon as the $50 bill came up, I had to go to the safe to get the change," says Van Buren today. "And when I gave them the change and they got their sandwiches, I remember them going back over to the corner, sitting down. And when they left, I remember three people getting into the truck. There were three people at the table."

The clerks she worked with later told FBI agents that two of the men matched the descriptions of McVeigh and his cohort, Terry Nichols. The third was a shorter, dark-haired and muscular man with an olive complexion: a perfect fit for the figure destined to be known as John Doe 2.

Luckily, the Subway shop actually had a video camera recording that day's events. When Van Buren contacted the FBI, agents interviewed everyone working in the shop on April 18. And when they were done, they confiscated the video recorded that day.

But if that tape showed a third co-conspirator with McVeigh and Nichols, no one outside the FBI can say. No one beyond the agency ever saw it. In the waning days of Nichols' trial, his defense attorneys discovered the details of Van Buren's story -- which had only been described in generic terms in the FBI's report, omitting her contention that two men accompanied McVeigh -- along with information contained in some 43,000 other "lead sheets" that the FBI until then had failed to turn over to them.

Michael Tigar, who led the Nichols defense, tried in 1999 to use the FBI's failures to produce all relevant documents to gain a new trial for his client. But U.S. District Judge Richard Matsch refused, saying the withheld material would not have altered the trial's outcome.

He likely was right. In fact, Nichols' jury had already refused to give him the death penalty largely because of some jurors' belief that more people were involved in the bombing than merely McVeigh, Nichols and Michael and Lori Fortier, the Arizona couple who were acquaintances with the two men and who were the prosecution's chief witnesses. That belief is also shared by thousands of conspiracy theorists who remain convinced the whole truth about the Oklahoma City bombing has not been told. Nichols' verdict stands as nearly the sole validation that the bombing may not have been the product of two lone bombers.

And when the FBI admitted it had failed to turn over another 3,100 documents to defense attorneys, fresh fuel was thrown onto those fires. McVeigh's execution was delayed a month as lawyers for both men started combing through the withheld information to see if it might give them an opportunity to overturn at least their sentences, if not their convictions. His execution is now scheduled for Monday.


http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2001/06/09/john_doe/print.html
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 11:09 AM
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7. I lived in Ohio at the time. I remember middle eastern families being threatened. Some even got
Edited on Wed Apr-14-10 11:12 AM by Guy Whitey Corngood
bricks thrown thorough their home windows.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 09:40 PM
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9. Yup. I remember that.
And that reaction was part of the very mindset responsible for the bombing.

At some point it's not even ironic.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:51 PM
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10. If terrorists are going to hit us again, it will not be in middle America. I live on the East Coast.
Connecticut was hit hard with many deaths from 9/11...lots of commuters in southern CT near the NY border close to NYC. I just remember watching the news and seeing the home towns. Stamford. Greenwich. Norwalk. All right near the border. Funny how the paranoia seems higher in the middle of the United States. The coasts, especially the East Coast and of course DC has the biggest risk. And we seem to deal with it without freaking out.
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