Buzz Aldrin vs. Neil Armstrong

KO just called this 'NASA Family Feud'!

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2010/04/14/2270153.aspx

Buzz Aldrin vs. Neil Armstrong
Posted: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 4:01 PM by Mark Murray
Filed Under: White House


From NBC's Mark Murray and Scott Foster

In First Thoughts this morning, we noted how Neil Armstrong and a couple other NASA heroes wrote letters to NBC and the White House, criticizing the administration's plans to scuttle NASA's Constellation rocket program.

Now the White House has released a letter from another NASA luminary, Buzz Aldrin, that supports the administration's approach.

They even got in a fight once, iirc. :D

These guys (the moon walkers) are the most underrated explorers in history. And Neil just says fuck it all and goes off to live his own life.
I don't care what political affiliation the man applies to. He's earned his standing.

And I am glad that we have educated opinions from both of the first two men to walk on the moon. I do find it especially interesting that Neil Armstrong has broken what can only be described as 'media silence' to speak up, while Buzz has always been a little more 'out there'. I have to say I was a bit perplexed by his doing "Dancing With the Stars", but he has the right to do any damn thing he pleases.

I'm lucky enough to be old enough to have witnessed that momentous event.

Truthfully, I was waiting for the first idiot to say the moon landings were fake. Didn't have to wait that long, now did we?

to have grown up 36 miles from Neil's hometown.

...he deserves whatever blowback comes his way.

have a second opinion..and in this case it's from the second man who walked on the Moon.

I like Buzz Aldrin's vision.

but I think that the last three probably were real.

It seems that each time I was bringing some details and explanations, I was called "coocoo" and told all this had been debunked.

Including the video that shows the 3 astronauts faking being far away from the Earth when they were still in the suburbs, basically.

I'm done with this, it's amazing how well people have been brainwashed.

The bigger the lie...

I'm just going to ask you to explain these images to me:

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html

Particularly the one were footpaths made by the astronauts to and from the LM are clearly visible. On the moon.

By the way scientists are still to this day bouncing lasers off the laser reflector panels set up by all 6 Apollo missions. There are now six somethings on the moon reflecting laser light, and those six somethings are located where NASA said its six LMs landed.

Fuzzy photos of the moon and arrows pointing at dots.

I try to get it, but I'm not you. :eyes:

You don't need to be "smarter" than everyone.

Some people do know a few things and simply don't want to talk about it.

I tried at one time and realized it was absolutely impossible to get anyone to even question their belief.

I question mine often. But most people don't.

Involving any facility on earth with a ranging laser and a map of the six reflector targets?

Why do people think I'm crazy just because I believe the moon landings were faked? Would so many 6' tall talking rabbits that only I could see be lying?

It's totally useless.

chiding us for not believing you when in fact, i've never seen you argue for this.

Is it clear enough?

I sympathize with your position, even if I don't see things your way. You've taken a very unpopular view of something based on what you view as compelling evidence. That's the way an adversarial logical process works (e.g., the Devil's Advocate) and sometimes the contrarians end up being right. I think that's extremely unlikely in this case, but we never know.

I suppose the question will be answered when some future moon rover drives up to the Apollo 11 LM and films Neil Armstrong's footprints at the bottom of the descent ladder. Or not.

could you?

:rofl:

You guys off your meds AGAIN?!!!

too bad...

remember, Apollo 11 occured during the Cold War. The US and USSR tried to one-up each other at everything. In fact, a week before Apollo 11 launched, the Soviets launched a lander to grab moon rocks and return before Buzz and Neil did just so they could at least claim to have retrieved the first samples from the moon. It crashed, which was bad media for them. Now, the Soviets were quite capable of tracking the telemetry of Apollo 11. Had we faked the landing they would have screamed bloody murder. It cannot be denied that we landed. Having said that, there was no upgrade in space suits between 11 and 15, so if the last 3 landings had the same equipment as the first 3, then what reason would we have for faking the first 3?

Although not everything is revealed about what he plans to do, I continue to hope that we are able to continue space exploration that features the wonder of the past. Watching lift-offs and the travels of the Mars Rover has been the most relevant part for me whenever there is the chance to see coverage of NASA missions.

Until I hear more, I don't have a dog in this fight, yet.

Conspiracy Theory idiot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOo6aHSY8hU
(Note- this guy had been harassing Buzz for years, but I don't think he does anymore)

That fucker was the definition of "He had it coming."!

he fucked with Buzz for years. Some may find it crude, but when Buzz grew up, if you called a man a liar and a coward there were repercussions. He got his.

in the interest of family ties, I guess I have to be on Buzz's side in this argument, lol.

I met Charlie Duke (Apollo 17)- really nice guy. Twelve men set foot on the moon, these are special people.

at an Aldrin cousin family gethering, but he didn't. I did get to meet John Glenn when I was a kid and I always thought that was pretty special...

I'd gotten to meet him, but it never happened.

Let go of the 60's Neil. They've been over for a long time.

Richard Branson has developed a plane(?) that can go into space via take-offs and landings (like an airplane), but Neil wants to continue takes offs using dangerous rocket boosters, and landings via dropping into the ocean. At some point, shouldn't we be progressing?!!

As far as I am concerned, no matter their political persuasion, people like Neil Armstrong, Gene Cernan, Jim Lovell, Buzz Aldrin etal are all true heroes deserving of respect, and their views, particularly on the space program, should be taken seriously...

I am not as anxious as I was about Obama's shift in space policy, but Armstrong, Cernan and Lovell make a good point in their letter and I hope NASA takes their views seriously...

They both have things to say, and we should listen and consider, but I don't think is an Aldrin v. Armstrong thing.

Now I am certain.

Gene Cernan's book , and excellently narrated by him in the audiobook version, is one of my favorites on the subject.

And watching Neil's landing was one of my earliest memories (2 1/2yrs) mostly I think because of the emotions of the crowd I was in (a hotel lobby)

Saw a documentary the other night on the moon walkers. Gene Cernan came across as the expert on the whole deal. Called the guys from Apollo 13 the true heroes of the whole mission. Alan Bean. Kind of a flaky artist. Charlie Duke found religion. Just fascinating to see how they've turned out. No Neil. I guess he wanted no part of it. That's cool.