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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 07:00 PM
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"The Republicans' 2012 problem"
The Republicans' 2012 problem
November 2010 is looking awfully good for the GOP. But November 2012? Not so much
BY ED KILGORE

Talk to most Democratic activists, and they'll concede that a Republican takeover of the House this fall is entirely possible. Some will even contemplate the nightmare scenario of losing the Senate, though that remains arithmetically improbable. But they’ll cheer right up when talk moves to 2012.

The reasons for this midrange optimism are many. Though President Obama's approval ratings are nowhere near the post-inaugural peak they reached early last year, he remains the most popular figure in national politics. There’s also the possibility that the economy will have improved enough by 2012 to sweeten the country’s mood.

More to the point, smart Democrats understand that one of their chief liabilities right now figures to be an asset in 2012: the shape of the electorate. Turnout in midterm elections invariably skews toward older and whiter voters. Yet Obama’s 2008 performance varied inversely with age categories and also depended on a historic ethnic-minority turnout that isn’t about to be repeated in a midterm election. Add in the ripe targets, particularly in the House, created by two straight boffo Democratic cycles, and it should have been clear the very day after the 2008 elections that Democrats were cruising for a bruising in 2010 — even before the economy sank to its ultimate depths and well before the first Tea Party protest.

The 2012 electorate, by contrast, should look more like that of 2008. Not content with their midterm advantage, Republicans have done a lot to brand themselves as the party of angry old white people: the GOP’s conspicuous identification with the Tea Party movement, and the campaign to mobilize Medicare beneficiaries against healthcare reform are two examples. This will build a demographic trap for the GOP future, particularly since the radically conservative mood of the Republican base has eliminated any strategic flexibility to reach out to younger and darker (or female) voters.

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http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/feature/2010/04/18/gop_2012_problem_kilgore/index.html



(I THINK this is Queen Elizabeth, but I'm goin' with it anyway because the picture works! lol)
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 07:04 PM
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1. 2010 wouldn't look good for the GOP if the slight uptick in youth voting happened again.
Get your asses to the polls. Do it for Obama.

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tabbycat31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 07:29 PM
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3. I try this every year
and recently wrote a blog about how to reach younger voters. Should be read by every DUer that wants to reach the youth vote

http://www.bluejersey.com/diary/15002/how-to-reach-voters-under-30
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 07:05 PM
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2. It's all about getting out the vote
I vote in every election. Always have. It annoys the shit our of me that so many people sit out the midterms.

So everything that people projected onto the Democrats didn't happen right away. Do they really think it will be better with more Republicans clogging up the works?
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 07:34 PM
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4. My concern for 2012 is if the Republicans take control of the House in 2010
They can do a lot of damage and blame it on Obama.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 07:57 PM
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5. How much damage can they do w/out the Senate and w/out his signature?
Serious question.
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 08:01 PM
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6. Kill any legislation?
Yes, they can't pass anything on their own, but they would be able to block everything.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 08:15 PM
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7. And what if we tied them up and locked them in the basement?
Then have Anthony Weiner run around franticly saying, "has anyone seen all of the Republicans?! I've looked everywhere and cant find them!" ... you know, for dramatic effect? ;0
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 08:34 PM
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9. I don't know what would happen if we did that...
...but I'd be interested in finding out.
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 09:01 PM
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10. Remember the shutdown in 1995?
Newt is telling the GOP to shut the government down for TWO YEARS if they take control of the House. Newt wants them to not pass any budget bills. And the Republic Party is stupid enough to do as he says. That is why they shouldn't ever be put back in power.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 08:18 PM
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8. (smiles fondly at the memory of some DUers saying Obama wouldn't win a single state in 2008.)
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 09:09 PM
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11. Damn! the Queen is out hunting with a Beretta
Edited on Sun Apr-18-10 09:13 PM by Hutzpa
oh shit!

GOP are living in lala land they think the 'I's have it....

:evilgrin:
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 06:40 AM
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12. I fpeople show up to vote, (Mid-terms are notorious for lack of turnout)...
The GOP will cease to exist a a viable party

Perhaps 20% agree with the GOP position these days, (some position, no answers and all squeal). They have painted themselves into a corner and st the house on fire, there is nothing there...the only way they can win is by showing up at the polls in greater numbers than sane America. History shows us this may happen, but if D's stand together, (at least to go to the polls), the death knell for the GOP is offered on a Silver Platter.

I don't think they are going to win squat this time around, but it all depends on people showing up and voting. If this mid-term is sat out, they have a chance, if D's show up, we can hand the GOP a shovel for the grave digging.

Good lord...they are actually campaigning on absolutely nothing, they have no answers, they have no ideas...how can they possibly run a campaign on that?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 06:43 AM
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13. The GOP stands for stuff people don't want.
Their "leadership" is a pack of fools.

They're flavorless and disengaged.

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 07:09 AM
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14. To survive, the Republicans have to get two breaks.
The first is the sheer luck of severe economic downturn, which they can then hang on President Obama. "See -- we TOLD you he would be disastrous... return us to power and we will restore the American Way, blah blah blah." With the economy looking somewhat improved this severe downturn might not be in the offing.

The second break would be harder to come by but still possible. It involves the GOP making a mature assessment of its current mission and start fresh and small. They will have to undergo very major surgeries to realize this second scenario. They will have to actually represent the interests of ordinary Main Street Americans; they will have to show the fundie crazy-asses the door; and they will have to tap into Lincoln's model instead of the Reagan model. I believe the likelihood of their doing any one of these things is remote at best.

If they did somehow understand they are going to have to reboot in order to survive, it means they will have to lose the 2012 presidential election in order for the rebooting to be successful. It will take time. I doubt it can be lightswitched.

If the Pukes gain fewer seats than they had hoped in the 2010 Congressional elections and if President Obama is re-elected, there will still stand in the Republican Party all the things that have made them so unsuccessful -- the obstructionism, the alignment with the fundies, the Tea Bagger albatross, the hate-hosts on the radio and tv, the anti-science propaganda, and so forth. The Republican Party is overrun by assholes. They will have to go in order for the party to survive, IMO.
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greencharlie Donating Member (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 12:06 PM
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15. myopic article...
all is not roses. They didn't even mention the electoral "reshaping" after the 2010 Census the Pubs will gain 6-8 EV's.

Depends on the economy and the war(s)... if young progressives are to show up in '12 they need to see some "real hope and change".
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celtics23 Donating Member (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 02:39 PM
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16. but, but, but
There aren't angry Christian right-wing terrorists...right?! Or at least that would go against the GOP's narrative.
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