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rhombus (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:28 PM Original message |
NY Times: Up to 300,000 public school jobs could be cut |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
1. meanwhile our president and congress have 100's of billions for war and destruction nt |
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joeglow3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
2. And to add insult to injury, many of the top teachers will be cut |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 11:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. your anger at the unions is misplaced..get pissed at those at the top of the pile..those that have |
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joeglow3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:52 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. That kind of changed the topic |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:58 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Why is it stupid? |
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joeglow3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:20 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Really? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:58 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. The fact is that teachers have contracts negotiated for them by their unions |
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joeglow3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 04:02 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. So you admit the model set up some teacher's unions is BAD for students |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:04 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I admitted nothing you are claiming |
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joeglow3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:58 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. I hope you have more confidence when it comes to yourself |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:13 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Teachers with more experience ARE better |
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joeglow3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:11 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Wow. Facts with no support. |
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smitra (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:30 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Nonsense. In teaching, experience is what makes you better on the job. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:34 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. And I want to know what profession that would be |
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smitra (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:39 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Some people in IT (info. technology, not income tax) CLAIM that. n/t |
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mr715 (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:43 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. A short list: |
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smitra (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:54 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. "Basically the cream of the crop. Paradigm shifters are often outsiders." |
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mr715 (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:00 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Turnover. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:12 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Except that you don't teach the same unit for 20 years |
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mr715 (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:15 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. I appreciate that. |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:28 PM Response to Reply #56 |
65. Easier? teaching is never easy. |
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mr715 (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:47 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. I teach. |
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mr715 (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:41 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Except it works. |
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smitra (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:50 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Firing any teacher, at any level, should be unacceptable. |
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mr715 (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:03 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. Point System? |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:36 PM Response to Reply #40 |
66. Inflexible? One of the central tenets of teaching is "monitor and adjust" |
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mr715 (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:49 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. And teachers hired 10 years ago |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:04 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. And they don't necessary don't...you can't make a statement like that. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 07:27 AM Response to Reply #70 |
83. I disagree |
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mr715 (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 04:53 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. I disagree :) |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:32 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. 30 years experience is all the evidence I need |
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mr715 (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:49 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. It's hard to disagree with your position. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:00 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. And at my school there are more letters in the young teacher files |
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mr715 (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:04 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Many do get bad overnight. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:13 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. I have never seen that happen |
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mr715 (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:00 PM Response to Reply #55 |
72. Nor I. I was being flippant. |
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joeglow3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:18 PM Response to Reply #35 |
58. Ironically, a friend of mine would claim different |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:24 PM Response to Reply #31 |
62. More experience = laziness? |
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joeglow3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:25 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. But YOUR blanket statements are alright??? |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:37 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Where did I say that? |
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joeglow3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:05 PM Response to Reply #67 |
76. So you agree more experience does NOT automatically equal better? |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:07 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. I never said this: |
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joeglow3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:20 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Then by all means, please share your opinon on this. |
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mr715 (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:37 PM Response to Reply #29 |
38. Disagree |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:20 PM Response to Reply #20 |
61. Where'd that come from? |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:19 PM Response to Reply #16 |
60. Years of service isn't the only criterion. |
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mr715 (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:51 PM Response to Reply #60 |
71. Teachers should know what they teach. |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:01 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. I meant the endorsement on our certificate |
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golfguru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 02:44 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. That is standard operating procedure |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:53 AM Response to Reply #2 |
12. Because the higher paid teachers are always crap? |
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joeglow3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:18 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. No, that is not what I am saying. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:55 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. You started out by saying "to add insult to injury" |
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joeglow3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 04:01 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. If it is about money, why are the cuts based solely on tenure? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:59 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. The cuts are not based on tenure, they are based on seniority. |
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joeglow3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:54 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Now you are arguing semantics. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:57 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. The best teachers are the ones with experience |
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joeglow3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:01 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. I strongly disagree with you |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:14 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. You are applying a corporate model to educaton and that doesn't work. |
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joeglow3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:13 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. You CANNOT really believe that. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:37 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Your assumptions are what is absurd |
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smitra (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:42 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Fantastic story. This should be out on every teacher/education-bashing thread.n/t |
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mr715 (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:56 PM Response to Reply #37 |
47. Why couldn't a second year, certified teacher say that? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:08 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. I've taught with quite a few experienced teachers who put 20 or 30 years in a suburban system |
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mr715 (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:18 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. And I want to let you know |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 07:31 AM Response to Reply #59 |
84. I was born to want to teach |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:16 PM Response to Reply #2 |
57. Teacher of the year doesn't mean squat. |
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joeglow3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:24 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. One flaw in your argument |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:38 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. You don't know that. |
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joeglow3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:04 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. Sure I do. |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:06 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. And how do you know that the more experienced teachers weren't |
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joeglow3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:19 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Well, you will buy anything |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
3. Well we have our priorities lined up. |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:38 AM Response to Original message |
5. and meanwhile |
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Kdillard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:22 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. That is always the case imo. Too much waste if you look at the situation |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 02:03 AM Response to Original message |
6. JOBS FOR TEACHERS! |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:45 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Really nice to see that the ... |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:06 PM Response to Reply #6 |
52. No, too much moronic bullshit. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 05:08 AM Response to Reply #52 |
82. My third grade teacher was great, actually. |
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HCE1947 (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
11. Education is on the brink of disaster |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
13. Hey Arne, the catostrophe in education is YOU |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:08 PM Response to Original message |
23. Time to pay the bill |
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Kltpzyxm (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:13 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Fat and lazy? |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:28 PM Response to Original message |
33. My daughter is a Sophmore in college, studying to be a teacher. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 01:00 AM Response to Reply #33 |
81. On the plus side for her, I'd expect private schools to open up and start hiring soon. |
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joeglow3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 08:00 AM Response to Reply #81 |
85. When send our children to private schools and love it. |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
45. um, he applauded mass teacher firings in Rhode Island |
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