Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Why don't we attack states' rights more forcefully?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » General Discussion: Presidency Donate to DU
 
Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 05:11 PM
Original message
Why don't we attack states' rights more forcefully?
It's the problem, isn't it? And has been for a long time. History shows us that the reason minorities support Democrats is because they believe in the federal government. It was states rights that allowed the oppression of immigrants, Jews, blacks, gays, and so on. It's states rights that Ronald Reagan campaigned on when he launched his presidential campaign in Philadelphia, MS, only known as the place where three civil rights workers were murdered. Now what happened in Arizona is states' rights run amok again. It always ends in disaster.

Not only that, especially with newspapers dying, no one really pays attention to the states. I think every state in the nation is terribly corrupt. There are so many patronage jobs, favors, local loyalties, and petty coverups. If they were subjected to the kind scrutiny the federal government is subjected to, every state government would collapse in shame. The fact is thanks to federal transparency laws and all the attention given the federal government, it has no choice but to be quite honest, even when we disagree with it. I think our system overall works great with big central government, and that's not only thanks to its employees, its thanks to the opposition parties, the media, the special interests groups, and everyone else who is keeping an eye on it.

I suppose we can't expect Obama to speak explicitly against the states, but I wonder why progressive groups don't speak up more on this issue.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 05:20 PM
Response to Original message
1. Because white folks tend to stick together more tightly than people do with party affiliation.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
alc Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 05:25 PM
Response to Original message
2. or support states' rights and make use of them.
gay marriage, drug laws, consumer protection, card check, etc. Some issues may not work (card check may just make corporations leave) but other issues are much more likely to get solved at state levels. Discounting state rights makes it easier for feds to ignore state laws that try to override fed laws (e.g. marijuana legalization, assisted suicide)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 05:32 PM
Response to Original message
3. Interesting post
The ones screaming loudest for states' rights often happen to be the biggest racists and right wingers.

The smaller the pond, the more likely they can control it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Gravel Democrat Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 05:41 PM
Response to Original message
4. Great way to stop that pesky Medical Marijuana steamroller
It's confusing.

Sometimes, people want states rights.
Other times, the same people don't.

"I think every state in the nation is terribly corrupt."

Well the Feds are certainly beyond corruption! lol

Centralization vs. De-Centralization. A new day for an old argument.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 11:44 AM
Response to Original message
5. The 10 Amendment is kinda hard to get by
States do have a lot of rights, but federal law does supersede it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #5
11. Federal law trumps state law.
The 10th Amendment applies to what isn't prescribed to the federal government in the Constitution. However, laws that are passed in accordance with the Constitution can extend the powers of the federal government to areas not enumerated in the Constitution. THe !0th Amendment covers less and less as time goes on, as it should.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 01:30 AM
Response to Reply #11
14. Depends how you define it
Some people say the 10th Amendment means basically whatever laws are not in the Constitution are up to the states. I don't believe in the "Living Constitution", so I don't believe it gets "less and less as time goes on." It was put there for a reason.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 11:49 AM
Response to Original message
6. but states also lead the way on many positive changes
Like legalizing civil unions and gay marriage, some environmental initiatives, and so on.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cowman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 12:07 PM
Response to Original message
7. Oh yeah
like the Federal Govt is not corrupt. Know how to tell when a politician is lying? Look for their lips moving
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 12:19 PM
Response to Original message
8. Sure, let's just shred the Constitution instead, that would help matters
Look, just like the federal government, state governments have done both good and bad things. I'm not willing to throw over this country because of the issue of state's rights, it would be a really stupid move, one that would lead to civil war and worse.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 12:22 PM
Response to Original message
9. PA used to have Usary laws till the 1980s
I'm up for PA having some more states right, I'm sick of our common sense being diluted by the nonsense of others.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 12:27 PM
Response to Original message
10. What, Sherman's March To The Sea wasn't enough?
:crazy:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 01:06 PM
Response to Original message
12. States' rights are only bad when the states are wrong and the Fed is right.
When the Fed is wrong, states' rights are just great.

Generally, I am for the decentralization of power. If all power is concentrated in D.C., well, just look at the Bush years. And I hate to tell you this, but the Federal government is also terribly corrupt, your naive assessment of its 'honesty' notwithstanding.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 01:25 PM
Response to Original message
13. It depends on the state. In CT and a few other states, there is legalized gay marriage.
It goes above what the federal govt. is willing to do. Same thing with medical marijuana. The truth is, voting in local elections matters something more then the national elections do.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Mon May 13th 2024, 04:21 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » General Discussion: Presidency Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC