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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 07:54 PM
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Will Obama keep his campaign promise and renegotiate NAFTA?
What do you think? To me, it's looking like he won't.
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 08:04 PM
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1. Not going to happen and if he does it will still be riddled with loopholes.
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leeloo Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 08:10 PM
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2. NO....
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 08:18 PM
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3. Of course not.
Right after he said publicly during the campaign that he would, he send his foreign policy people to secretly assure that he would not. This was the message: JUST KIDDING!

Word got out and the press reported on this lie at the time. Guess you missed it.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 08:30 PM
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4. Didn't he already tell Canada he was just fishing for votes?
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 11:22 PM
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11. Yes. nt
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 10:03 AM
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17. That's false. Candidate Obama never told Canada anything of the sort. Here are the facts...
Edited on Sun Apr-25-10 10:14 AM by ClarkUSA

"Nobody reached out to the Canadians to try to reassure them," Obama said today in Texas.

"Unbeknownst to the rest of us, they reached out to Mr. Goolsbee who provided them with a tangible conversation and repeated what we've said on the campaign trail. Which is that we believe in trade with Canada. We believe in trade with Mexico," he said, but, "we think the terms of NAFTA have to be altered so that the labor standards and the environmental standards are enforceable... The Obama campaign was bolstered Monday afternoon by a statement released by the Canadian Embassy.

"There was no intention to convey, in any way, that Senator Obama and his campaign team were taking a different position in public from views expressed in private, including about NAFTA. We deeply regret any inference that may have been drawn to that effect," read a statement by the Canadian Embassy."


http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=4380122

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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 03:31 PM
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23. So you look to have him renegotiate
as per his campaign promise?
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 08:31 PM
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5. ...
:rofl:

You're kidding, right?
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 08:37 PM
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6. Let us consult the Magic 8 Ball:
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 08:52 PM
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7. No n/t
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 09:32 PM
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8. did anyone believe that one?
to me, Obama's anti-trade rhetoric was his least credible. He seemed obviously to be a free trader.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 09:36 PM
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9. I love the can-do attitude on this thread!
I'm sure spreading the negative assumption that Obama won't renegotiate isn't going to help make that assumption a reality. Right?
The Chamber of Commerce understands that spreading rumors about Obama taking a more conservative position on trade is a good way to make their desire a reality. Why do so many on the left have such a hard time understanding how that works?


http://thehill.com/opinion/op-ed/87459-obamas-trade-policy-opportunity

Indeed, creating a new trade policy will determine the success of much of the Obama administration’s domestic agenda given that today’s agreements extend far beyond tariffs and quotas to set parameters for numerous non-trade polices. Trade-pact investment and procurement rules will affect whether the billions being invested in the Green Economy will translate into American jobs. Trade-pact service sector rules define the policy space available to re-regulate finance and reform health insurance. Trade-pact rules implicate efforts to combat climate chaos.

The large agribusiness firms and job-offshoring multinationals who claim Obama’s trade agenda is stuck were the few beneficiaries of the 1990s pacts like the North American Free Trade Agreement and World Trade Organization. They oppose establishment of an Obama trade policy. They seek continuation of the status quo, starting with adoption of Bush’s leftover NAFTA-style pacts with Colombia, Korea and Panama. To revive this failed model — most recently rebuffed when a majority of House Democrats opposed Bush’s Peru agreement that mirrors the remaining three — would be a grievous policy and political mistake.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 11:21 PM
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10. No. He told the Canadians he was just saying that and didn't mean it. nt
Edited on Sat Apr-24-10 11:21 PM by Captain Hilts
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 09:51 AM
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15. Prove that Candidate Obama "told the Canadians he was just saying that and didn't mean it."
Edited on Sun Apr-25-10 10:07 AM by ClarkUSA
While I wait for you to provide proof, here are some]facts about this issue:

"Nobody reached out to the Canadians to try to reassure them," Obama said today in Texas.

"Unbeknownst to the rest of us, they reached out to Mr. Goolsbee who provided them with a tangible conversation and repeated what we've said on the campaign trail. Which is that we believe in trade with Canada. We believe in trade with Mexico," he said, but, "we think the terms of NAFTA have to be altered so that the labor standards and the environmental standards are enforceable... The Obama campaign was bolstered Monday afternoon by a statement released by the Canadian Embassy.

"There was no intention to convey, in any way, that Senator Obama and his campaign team were taking a different position in public from views expressed in private, including about NAFTA. We deeply regret any inference that may have been drawn to that effect," read a statement by the Canadian Embassy."

http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=4380122


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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 10:05 AM
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18. "More maneuvering than policy."
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 10:09 AM
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19. That's opinion. Where is the quote from Candidate Obama where "He told the Canadians..." ? Hmmm??
Edited on Sun Apr-25-10 10:14 AM by ClarkUSA
:eyes:

Here are the facts:

"Nobody reached out to the Canadians to try to reassure them," Obama said today in Texas.

"Unbeknownst to the rest of us, they reached out to Mr. Goolsbee who provided them with a tangible conversation and repeated what we've said on the campaign trail. Which is that we believe in trade with Canada. We believe in trade with Mexico," he said, but, "we think the terms of NAFTA have to be altered so that the labor standards and the environmental standards are enforceable... The Obama campaign was bolstered Monday afternoon by a statement released by the Canadian Embassy.

"There was no intention to convey, in any way, that Senator Obama and his campaign team were taking a different position in public from views expressed in private, including about NAFTA. We deeply regret any inference that may have been drawn to that effect," read a statement by the Canadian Embassy."


http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=4380122

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harkadog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 12:43 PM
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21. Here are the facts
Obama has nothing to renegotiate NAFTA even though he said he would. It is not even mentioned anymore. Of course he would deny having given the Canadians a wink on the subject. What would you expect a candidate to do? Admit it? People on this site aren't as dumb as you think they are.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 03:27 PM
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22. Was there a "campaign promise" to do it within 15 months of becoming President? I think not.
Edited on Sun Apr-25-10 04:15 PM by ClarkUSA
The rest of your reply is baseless polemic, which doesn't disprove the facts I offered via named sources:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=277955&mesg_id=278157

Maybe you haven't noticed, but President Obama has been busy since the inauguration.

:sarcasm:

Funny that the outrage here by the usual Obama critics doesn't reflect the opinions of union leadership, who to a one support President Obama's agenda.
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harkadog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 05:02 PM
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24. NYT- Obama has no plans to reopen NAFTA
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/21/business/21nafta.html It is a year old but nothing has changed since them. If we are at 7 years and 9 months of an Obama administration you will be saying the same thing. Or better yet you will be saying Obama was re-elected by the American people knowing he did nothing with NAFTA and therefore they agree with that decision. Pretty pathetic and insulting to Obama that you think he can only concentrate on one thing at a time. There are about 2000 employees who work at the WH in policy making positions. I think the President could find one of them to work on NAFTA.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 05:27 PM
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25. Um, that article is over a year old. Your complaints are what's really "pretty pathetic".
Edited on Sun Apr-25-10 05:39 PM by ClarkUSA
Funny how union leadership have no such complaints about President Obama, eh? :eyes:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 05:41 PM
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 05:57 PM
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27. President Obama has had the best first year in history but there are always those who enjoy...
Edited on Sun Apr-25-10 06:07 PM by ClarkUSA
... complaining about every minute of it. :eyes:
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 12:59 AM
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12. Not until the world economy stablizes.
AS much as I dislike NAFTA, now is not the time.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 01:38 AM
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 09:59 AM
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16. Yea, too bad idiot son didn't get a 3rd term, isn't it.
:eyes:
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 05:40 AM
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14. Ha.
Ha ha ha ha ha. Ha.

In other words, no.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 10:26 AM
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20. Did you ever really think he would? Really? nt
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