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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 01:02 PM
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On financial and immigration reform, who are Republicans trying to kid?
Republicans have no wiggle room on either issue. Given their position on these issues, they'll come out looking like fascists and defenders of Wall Street.

Geithner: GOP just wrangling for leverage on financial bill

As for climate change, it's ready to go. The Dems need to go for it...all of it. This Daily Kos comment sums it up perfectly:

Why don't the Dems just call Grahan's BS...

and go ahead with introducing the Climate Bill tomorrow, and push ahead with it. So everyone will see that the climate bill is going first, and Graham will either have to join, or come up with some other excuse not to.

And for those that demand that immigration go first, well that issue hasn't been worked on by any committee in either house of Congress. It'll take months anyway. Why delay the climate bill, that's ready to go, for that?

It seems to me that the obvious thing for Dems to do is:

  1. Finish financial reform.

  2. In the meantime, go ahead and introduce the climate bill.

  3. In May, let committees start working on immigration.

  4. After finance reform is finished (whatever the outcome), begin floor debate on the climate bill, while committees continue working on immigration.

  5. After climate bill is done (whatever the outcome), Obama nominates a SCOTUS seat.

  6. Judicial committee works on SCOTUS, even as ohter committees continue working on immigration bill.

  7. Vote on SCOTUS (I put this ahead of voting on immigration, so that the nominee can be confirmed before the next SCOTUS session starts).

  8. Introduce immigration reform bill, and begin floor debate.

  9. Vote on immigration bill.
In the elections, run on all of the above, whatever the outcomes of the bills were.

It certainly will not happen that neatly, but still, the Dems should go for it.


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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 01:20 PM
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1. The Republican plan
for financial reform is to let the banksters steal more than they can carry and then maybe they will have to wait in line for a hernia operation.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 01:26 PM
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2. The Republican plan is
to seek out opportunities for faux outrage and hissyfits.

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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 01:58 PM
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3. And if the opportunity does not arise...
...just make shit up
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 02:13 PM
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4. On financial reform, they're using all the talking points they used for HCR but replacing the
stats. Now they're saying the Dodd bill is 1,700 pages long (as an excuse not to let it even be debated) and that it's a "government takeover of the financial sector," and that we should "slow down" in order to have a bipartisan bill, because they "all WANT a bill for financial reform." I hope the public is finally catching on.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 02:33 PM
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5. The key problem with that poster's view
is that Reid and Obama will not do step 2). They have chosen not to. I suspect they will go from Financial reform to SCJ to immigration. As they have done little on Immigration, they likely will repackage the Kennedy/McCain bill - which failed a cloture vote by 14 Senators. Here are the Democrats who voted against it - Baucus, Bayh, Bingaman, Sherrod Brown, Byrd, Dorgan, Harkin, Landrieu, McCaskill, Nelson, Pryor, Rockefeller, Stabenow, Tester and Webb.

Now, many new Democrats elected in 2008 are from purple or red states. Can we turn the ones who voted against it before and get all the new ones? Even if we do, we still need a Republican.

We will need 60 votes. With graham saying it is a political ploy - How many votes do we get from the party of NO?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 04:20 PM
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6. They are going to move ahead.
Here is Carol Browner's statement:

We believe the only way to make progress on these priorities is to continue working as we have thus far in a bipartisan manner to build more support for both comprehensive energy independence and immigration reform legislation.

We commend Senators Kerry, Graham and Lieberman for the tremendous work they have done to date to seize this moment and build a new coalition of business and environmental leaders and their efforts to craft a bill that will garner the votes to pass the Senate.

We have an historic opportunity to finally enact measures that will break our dependence on foreign oil, help create clean energy jobs and reduce carbon pollution. We're determined to see it happen this year, and we encourage the Senators to continue their important work on behalf of the country and not walk away from the progress that's already been made.


More here

A lot of the reaction is being driven by the media reporting.

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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 04:44 PM
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7. Hope she is right and that our president is not being dictated by
the likes of Reid or Snake.




Will be in seclusion to see how this plays out. :hide:
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