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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:05 AM
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Poll question: The oil spill in the Gulf is Obama's...
Since we always have to compare current problems to past disasters and scandals...

The oil spill in the Gulf is Obama's...
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:06 AM
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1. Bush/Cheney deregulation continue under Obama, as is Palin's 'drill, baby, drill'
Industry (and not just the oil industry) is too cozy with our politicians of both parties.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 06:34 PM
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15. At least try to be accurate whlie you're taking pot shots.
Even Obama's limited expansion in existing fields came with additional environmental protections and safety standards. It was most certainly not the same as the Bush or McCain/Palin proposal. That's why Republicans in Congress were griping that it didn't go far enough.
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:25 AM
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2. It's not just a spill, it's a continuing gusher
:(
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:29 AM
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3. It will hit the Carolinas weeks before they are able to stop it
Let's see how many people will continue to support Obama's new offshore drilling policy.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:30 AM
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4. Other
It is his Exxon Valdez obviously.
But like that disaster it was not caused by a president but by stupid....and it is not like Katrina because there is noting he can do that will make a difference.
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denimgirly Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:47 AM
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5. Why is it the Liberals are ALWAYS right but no one ever listens to them -- incl. the WH.
I am amazed that the liberal base tends to be the only true voice of the people and yet everyone: Democrats, and of course all republicans look at them as fringes and that includes the Whitehouse. One day we will have a real liberal president and Congress that actually listens to its people and doesnt look to appease the media and the far right...i am still baffled by the switcheroo of drilling offshore....this disaster could have easily been a win for Obama and his energy policy if it werent for the obsessive giving in to the right when there is nothing to gain...lets hope he learns finally because this constant giving in is just dumb, and disastrous.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 01:36 PM
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9. Because for nearly 50 years, liberals have been demonized as impractical,
emotional, irrational.

Unless we liberals fight back against this characterization and fully embrace who we are, the demonization will continue.

Liberals have been right on nearly all of the issues of the day and yet, even after we're proven right, people keep doing the same things over and over again, often getting the same results. It's the very definition of stupidity.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 01:00 PM
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6. I guess Waterloo was already taken
(joke)
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 03:36 PM
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11. I laughed.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:46 AM
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7. Halliburton, the same as in Australia last year.
Edited on Mon May-03-10 12:47 AM by johnaries
Last year, Halliburton was also implicated for its cementing work prior to a massive blowout off the coast of Australia, where a rig caught on fire and spewed hundreds of thousands of gallons into the sea for ten weeks.

In that incident, workers apparently failed to properly pump cement into the well, according to Elmer Danenberger, former head of regulatory affairs for the U.S. Minerals Management Service, who testified to an Australian commission probing that accident.

"The problem with the cementing job was one of the root causes in the Australian blowout," Danenberger told Huffington Post, adding that the rig crew didn't pick up on indications of an influx of fluids coming back in after they cemented the casing. "The crew didn't pick up on them and didn't take action."


http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_59658.shtml

edit to fix HTML, but also to mention that I would have linked ot the original HuffPo article but I'm on dial-up at home and it takes too long for the site to load for me.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 01:27 PM
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8. It is his crisis to respond to and grow from
and also his political and strategic fuck up for backing down from what he damn well knows is sensible and right.

At this moment we could be bringing the heat to shut this issue down forever and moving assertively in a new direction and instead are restrained from ruthlessly bashing the pukes and big carbon by lame ass triangulating and gutless dancing with the absurd idea that is pumping a toxic substance under high pressure through a mile of ocean.

He also could have directed a top to bottom policy and safety review upon taking office because of the know undermining, underfunding, and general abdication of the role of regulator of the last administration. Too much looking ahead without knowing where you came from and where things stand due to that history.

Still, other than probably giving too much credence to BP's lying ass the response is appropriate as circumstances appear to allow and certainly the President did nothing to cause this. Bush failed with Katrina because of his fuck em response and putting fuckers like "Brownie" in charge of departments they not only now nothing about but either don't give a hill of beans about or even actively oppose the purpose of the organization.

Obama isn't being negligent despite his stupid support of a nearly fruitless and therefore asinine policy and those should be viewed separately or you're blaming the guy for crimes committed by others.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 02:22 PM
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10. It's Obama's to try and solve.
If he can stop it or contain it soon, he will get credit.

If it destroys the ocean, we will all be fucked, and no one will care about Obama or anything else at that point... :scared: :scared: :scared:
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 05:22 PM
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12. The oil spill in the Gulf is Obama's, yes...
...in the sense that it happened on his watch, and he owns the response. He also gets some of the blame since just a few weeks ago he advocated for more offshore drilling. He does not get a pass from me on that one. I'm pretty tired of his kowtowing to the regressives on issue after issue.

No he did not cause it. Yes his response has been better than Bush's would have been, although that is not a high bar. He is also remiss in having accepted BP's word at the beginning. It looks like the local Coast Guard are pretty used to doing that as well, like when they parroted the initial BP line that nothing appeared to be leaking.
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Old Troop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 05:23 PM
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13. Maybe the event and aftermath have nothing to do with Obama
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 06:31 PM
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14. Obama's Challenger Explosion.
Edited on Mon May-03-10 06:37 PM by Radical Activist
Is there any indication that Obama has done anything but respond effectively in a time of crisis? It's not enough to reject the conservative narrative. You have to create a new one that challenges it.

Obama supported offshore drilling in the general election. It was a dumb move in response to skyrocketing gas prices and Palin's chant at the GOP convention. He did the right thing by passing CAFE standards and promoting hybrid cars to reduce oil consumption. Now is a good time to encourage him to change back to his primary campaign position. It's probably only a matter of time.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 07:24 PM
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16. "The oil spill in the Gulf is Obama's..." WAKE-UP CALL. nt
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 07:40 PM
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17. Too soon to tell where the chips are going to fall
Krugman pretty much calls it the way I've seen it from the outset:

It depends a lot on leadership. In particular, President Obama needs to seize the moment; he needs to take on the “Drill, baby, drill” crowd, telling America that courting irreversible environmental disaster for the sake of a few barrels of oil, an amount that will hardly affect our dependence on imports, is a terrible bargain.

It’s true that Mr. Obama isn’t as well positioned to make this a teachable moment as he should be: just a month ago he announced a plan to open much of the Atlantic coast to oil exploration, a move that shocked many of his supporters and makes it hard for him to claim the moral high ground now.

But he needs to get beyond that. The catastrophe in the gulf offers an opportunity, a chance to recapture some of the spirit of the original Earth Day. And if that happens, some good may yet come of this ecological nightmare.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/03/opinion/03krugman.html?src=me&ref=general
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 07:54 PM
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18. LOL at that 15%
Sorry sacks of shit that they are
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 08:46 PM
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19. I concur on the sorry sack of shit
I bet those 15% are responsible for starting most of the flamebait on this board.

:banghead:
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:54 AM
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21. I thought only 15% of this board DIDN'T post flamebait.
At least that's how it feels.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:53 AM
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20. This one is actually pretty unique.
It's not a natural disaster and it's not the result of any policy he put into place.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 12:43 PM
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22. Other....
The oil spill in the Gulf is Obama's....chance to show how responible governments act in a crisis.
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