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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 10:25 PM
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Interesting take: Is Fox News destroying the GOP?
Edited on Mon May-03-10 10:27 PM by zulchzulu
I've actually thought this before due to Fox News overstepping with trying to demonize Obama at all costs and essentially making blowholes like Rush Limbaugh get the kind of cred from Fox News mostly because they are scared of the drug-addled gasbag's wrath.

This article does some nice damage on the Fixed Noise:

In the last year, a very interesting thing has happened. We have watched folks like Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin become instant millionaires (Beck earned $32 million and Sarah Palin $12 million since leaving office in July). We have watched CNN and MSNBC struggle for viability as Fox News ratings soar.

We have watched as the myths they spill into the airwaves, such as death panels and prison sentences for people who do not purchase health care, become true in the minds of some Americans. We have watched the polls turn decisively against the Democrats, Obama and on a larger scale, liberalism in general.

But the star power driving the conservative movement is not traditional political leaders. Republicans holding elected offices have been riding the coattails of the Big Media, either clueless or helpless to the fact that they have lost control over the conservative debate and agenda.

(snip)
What has all the conservative hype accomplished? So far, a few electoral victories -- in Virginia, Massachusetts and New Jersey. But long-term, the impact is much more self destructive. Fox News is effectively destroying the Republican Party. And what’s even more ironic is that the “liberal” policies it fights against are still prevailing.

* The stimulus package -- it passed. It was a huge blow to the idea of limited government and simply passing on tax credits to spur economic growth.
* The Jobs bill -- another slap in the face to the supply side economic thinking.
* Heath care reform --- the most important piece of legislation in more than a decade that seeks essentially to tax the rich in order to provide care for the poor.
* Financial reform -- once again, a huge slap in the face to the Wall Street-backed, free market rules, thinking of the Republican establishment.

http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/05/03/is-fox-news-destroying-the-gop/


From someone I know with RNC cred, the big secret is the RNC are actually scared at what could happen in 2010 and 2012 to firmly make the GOP the Southern Redneck Theocratic Party with no more than 20-25% of the electorate that votes their way. My RNC friend hates Palin and despises all things Fox News, but he has to watch them take over the party and railroad Republican moderates who usually are at least consistent in their ideology.


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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 10:34 PM
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1. True all those things have been done but I think
we will see a huge backlash come this November. I think we will lose the House and Senate this year.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 10:49 PM
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4. a huge backlash to what? Folks getting a lifeline while realizing that corporations
are fucking them in the ass?

That would be really stupid, I think.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 10:52 AM
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16. I know it's stupid but those things are not popular
the right wing noise machine has done a fantastic job brainwashing the public.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 10:49 PM
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5. No. Thats not going to happen. nt
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 02:44 PM
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19. I'll take that wager.
If by 'lose' you mean become the minority party in both houses, I'd be willing to give some fairly long odds that will never happen.


The Republican Party is currently in disarray, and is showing no signs of cohesion or political strategy other than the talking points for the day. They are getting rocked back on their heels, one issue at a time.

Hell, the only thing they seem in agreement with lately is that they all see Michael Steele as a gigantic mistake.
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Dr Morbius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 06:44 PM
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21. The only thing I can forecast with certainty about this November is:
That the turnout will be less than 2006. Neither party is making their base terribly enthusiastic. Beyond that, there's half a year between now and then. A lot can happen; a lot will happen. How Democrats in office are seen now isn't as relevant as how they'll be seen then, and whether or not enough people care.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 10:42 PM
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2. Refreshing insights and facts. Thank you.
What does your RNC friend think about the AZ immigration law and what it means for the electoral future of his party?
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 10:48 PM
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3. My RNC friend thought about moving there...
I haven't talked to him about the AZ bill, but will update you perhaps in a day or two.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:43 PM
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10. Thanks, I look forward to that OP.
It should be enlightening.
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craigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 10:49 PM
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6. Eventually they'll go so far right that they won't be talking about reality anymore
at that point it'll be up to the democrats to present themselves as forceful and responsible. After that happens it's the end of the conservative movement for at least a generation.
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:07 AM
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17. They haven't been talking about reality for at leas a year
The Dems would need to grow a pair before they can "present themselves as forceful and responsible", with more Alan Graysons and fewer Harry Reids.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 10:53 PM
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7. LOVE the idea!
Edited on Mon May-03-10 10:54 PM by elleng
Hyper/Killer propaganda!

:thumbsup:
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:19 PM
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8. David Frum has been saying that for a while now
He said, "We used to think Fox News worked for us, but it turns out that we work for Fox News."
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 06:30 AM
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14. I love that quote, but it still is going to be a long fight ...
That quote rings poignantly true, but the game is SO rigged in the GOP's favor that it still is going to be a long fight, at least until the demographics throw the numbers in the democrats favor ...

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imnKOgnito Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:40 PM
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9. If and when they do
Fox News will report that Fox News and Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter and all the rest were liberal plants engaged in a long term stealth operation to destroy the Republican Party, God, and Amurikan values.
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jotsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 12:15 AM
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11. I see them as mutually destructive.
Edited on Tue May-04-10 12:16 AM by jotsy
The lack of credibility at Fixed Noise, (it's rare I see another use my own preferred tag for them) doesn't stop the money makers that prop this megaphone up could care less, as long as they are flooding the air ways with their warped views. The Bushco legacy has left the republican brand name a bad word in the minds and mouths of too many for an army of spin doctors to sway. This is why I believe there is such an enormous and visible effort to legitimize the tea party movement.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 08:18 PM
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24. +1 n/t
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 01:13 AM
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12. What's happening to GOP now is what happened to Democrats in 1968-1972
Their Tea Party is akin to the hippies, and their extremist politics and racism are offending our "silent majority".
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 06:12 AM
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13. But the base says "Thank You Fox News for Keeping Us Infromed". The Infromation
is keeping them engaged.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 06:44 AM
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15. I've posted quite a few times that the GOP is in a tailspin...
they've ceded whatever they had to a group of individuals hellbent on bringing back the 19th Century.

Most R's are just realizing that they have no control over the party. They were brought up thinking Lincoln was the guiding light, (not bad), and that an Eisenhower GOP is is till in effect. The serious demise of the GOP began w/Reagan,, (burps, hiccups and farts were the legacy from the likes of Harding, Coolidge and Hoover), and they have become the party of no ideas. When my Mom, a lifelong R, starts hootin' and hollerin' about the GOP being little more than a bunch of nasty has beens, I know they are in serious trouble.

bush did the GOP in. He took the R's down to such a level of depravity, I cannot see how it can recover. The 20% of jugheads that think the GOP is somehow the "saving grace" for the nation are deluded. They are the screech monkeys of society, and as they screech, they push Americans that believe in the nation as a whole as a good and decent place, further away.

We are watching something that happens perhaps once a century or so, the self destruction of a majot political party that has, in the past, done some things that have moved the country forward...and has become a mere shell of itself. The days of TR, Lincoln, Eisenhower are long gone. The party that speaks volumes of "less government" has left us a legacy of government intrusion into every aspect of our lives; a system where the American citizen is seen as an "enemy", and the monied elite are seen as saints.

I will not shed a tear as they go into the wilderness, I may even do a little jig and laugh...but the one thing I can be certain of, is that I will breathe a sigh of relief...oh, and be very proud that I helped in some small way, to send them into said wilderness.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 08:41 PM
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25. Well said.
Bravo :thumbsup:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:13 AM
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18. fauxsn00ze would destroy the
world if we let it..takes down the vulnerable in its path with vicious lies and relentless brainwashing.

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mariawr Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 06:28 PM
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20. They are FOX REPUBLICANS (TM) nt
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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 06:55 PM
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22. You ought to give your RNC informant a name.
Mr. X, maybe.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 08:06 PM
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23. Your RNC friend is just how I like my rivals to be
stupid, lacking in curiosity, fearful, and many other good things! Anyone who could look at the actual number of FoxNews viewers and feel that a national Party can be 'railroaded' or that the Party has been taken over by such a small amount of people, and then look at the demographics and see who those people are, and still feel 'railroaded' by that lot is a dunderhead.
The real deal on RNC pal is that he's just ashamed to see the reality of his Party hanging so far out there. They have always been like this, always. They have not changed that much in my lifetime. Your pal just needs to accept the nature of his Party. They were not railroaded right, they started out to the right, on track laid to veer rightward. And the Palin faction are part of his base, they are his peers, the others who are attracted to that which attracts him, they are mirrors he should look into, and consider what he sees.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 02:38 PM
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26. He gets paid to give wretched Repigs talking points when they are backed in a corner
It's good money. He goes where the money is. Otherwise, he'd have to find another job.

In terms of the Republican flavor he is, it's more a throwback to the moderate Republicans in the 60-70s before the Religious Right took over the helm.

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