The Florida Senate Race Will Be Between Meek (D),Crist (I-R) and Rubio(R)

anyone listening?
it isnt a race between crist and rubio
crist and rubio are the same guy
you do no one a service by pushing for crist
he is a republican despite his claim of independence
its a race between meek and crist and rubio
meek is our date to the prom
dance with your date dammit!
stop comparing crist to rubio and declaring crist "the lesser of two evils"
there is a completely unevil candidate
and wow amazing he may be the best guy for the job
he is in our damn party and constant cheerleading for either of the 2 GOP assclowns running against him is shameful

thank you for your time and
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Answer: We gain a seat and shutdown the teabagger train and that's good for Democrats.

crist sees himself as a "new republican"
the key word there is republican
if elected he will officially rejoin the GOP
to use his nobility of thought "to change them from within"
it wont be a matter of who he "caucuses" with
he is GOP thru and thru

its classic misdirection
where did that rabbit go?

McConnel recently threatened to not even allow Crist to caucus with them should he should win. Crist is losing all his rightwing support, donations and endorsements. He is being ostracized from the party... by November his name will be mud with the GOP. I see no way he caucuses with them.

he will
he is a opportunistic little weasel fucker who will gladly sell his soul back to the GOP for a little of what passes for respect over there
listen
if you want to advocate for the republicans in the race i certainly cant stop you
just seems wrong though to compare 2 republicans while the date we brought to the prom is standing by the punchbowl waiting to dance

That might change but thats the reality at the moment.

nor has the DNC spoken yet as they plan to and soon
as i said please feel free to advocate for the republicans in the race
your choice

I had a conversation with a friend the other day. A state Committee-person, and also a congressional district leader. This person has talked to many people who say they are voting for Crist. And they are ALL DEC members!

That's the problem when you give us DLC and New Democrat candidates to vote for. They suck.

When Jim Davis ran against Crist for Governor, I had to hold my nose really, really hard. I voted for him because I was a DEC member at the time, and took my loyalty oath seriously. I knew Jim Davis was a fucking prick, and a corporate stooge. He was one of 27 "New Dems" who signed a letter to Dennis Hastert asking him to please hurry up and bring that awful bankruptcy bill to the floor, so they could vote for it. He also supported the Patriot Act and the Iraq war.

Kendrick Meek is also a "New Democrat". I've vowed never again to cast a vote for a "New Democrat", a Blue Dog, or a DLC piece of shit. You have to EARN my vote now. And Republican Light doesn't do it.

I'll either vote for Crist, hoping he'll caucus with the Dems, or I'll be an undervote. But, I ain't voting for Meek. No how. No way.

Democrat I find myself in agreement with you! Meek is just that MEEK!!! And I fear he will be pretty LAME to boot!

While I'm disappointed that Crist won't really "come out" I DO have to say that at least he has shown some SPINE in the face of the onslaught of TEA-BAGGERS!! Take that comment as ironic or however you want! From all that I've seen from Kendrick Meek, he WILL do the DLC thing and I'm SICK of that side of the Democratic Party!

I've all but given up on ANY influence I may have here in my state of Florida and especially my county which is pretty Ruby Red! After all, Cruella Harris was elected TWO TIMES here, and we have what I know in my heart is a very corrupt Supervisor of Elections!! Despite all her bad acts & PRESS, Kathy Dent is still standing and saying IT'S MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY!! And she seems to win no matter what!

So, given the choices at hand, I will do ANYTHING to keep Rubio from gaining ANY power!! And Meek is just not one who has shown me any promise. He's a follower, and one of Rahm's minions! I have been lurking here more than posting these days, but felt a need to add my comments on this one!

Perhaps one day "Chawlie" will find it within his heart to actually come out and deal with what he's been hiding for such a long time! I don't care that he's Gay, I would APPLAUD him for standing up and "doing the RIGHT thing!" And there's another part of me that thinks that deep down "Chawlie" is actually a Democrat, but decided that he wanted to get elected at any cost, so sided with the Repukes! It's too bad he feels he has to hide and it's to bad he actually DOES it! I can't support him on this issue, but given what I as a citizen of Florida am facing I'm trying to give weight to what I've seen from the Democratic Party here! And the Party doesn't stand up for what I always felt about Democrats in general!

This is only conjecture on my part, but he has surprised me by decisions he's made regarding issues that Repukes don't support and gone against the grain! As one who has been rethinking so much of what is going on, I'm NOT comfortable with our present Democratic Political Party! I feel I've been hijacked and make no bones about it. Just wrote Bill Nelson about my feelings today, especially given the fact that where I live we may be facing an ecological disaster! Siesta Key has long been touted as having the "whitest sand beaches in the world" and may soon find this oil spill making that comment a thing of the past!
JMHO!!

I will not vote for anyone who doesn't have a "D" after his name.

Overall, Crist hasn't been as horrible as I expected. But no way do I want to send him to DC. I think we have a chance to pick up this seat, and I intend to do my part to make it happen.

And its already happening... recent polling shows it clearly..

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/florida/toplines/toplines_florida_senate_may_3_2010

Polls takem before and after his announcement shows some Dem support (5 pts) went from Meek to Crist.

Meek needs to show me something before I decide to support him. Having a D by his name is not enough.

So far, he has stood up against extreme Republican policies.

Lots of things are said during campaigns, but if Crist‎ wins the GOP will not turn down the chance to get another member of their caucus.

with an actual Democrat. All Meek needs is the base Democratic vote and good turn out in his home turf.

and likely better him for least committed to the Dem caucus.

It still won't get a progressive agenda passed in the Senate.

I predict Crist votes with the Dems at that time.

Have you been paying attention to the Senate at all?

It does not mean you vote with your party on every issue. Even a "fool" should know that.

We don't win just because our team has the most players. We don't need another Lieberman to caucus with us and then defeat or weaken every progressive measure in the Senate.
I'm involved in politics because I care about making progress on specific issues. Having Crist caucus with the Democrats so that he can more effectively defeat progressive bills from the Democratic side does not help accomplish those goals.

We're not going to lose the majority in the Senate so that's not a relevant concern. If you really think having another Lieberman or Blanche Lincoln caucusing with Democrats is desirable then you haven't been paying attention. Having a Democratic majority does not result in passing a progressive agenda if we don't have real Democrats.

:shrug:

I just made a contribution at his website http://www.kendrickmeek.com/ and signed up for emails. I'll check later for opportunities to volunteer.

Is Kendrick perfect? Absolutely not. But he's a good progressive representative, and a helluva lot better than any of the alternatives. Rubio's a total nut job, and Crist is... heck, let's just call him a dick for lack of a better word at this late hour. Neither of them would represent me in anything resembling an acceptable manner.

now if any of you want to cut in please do

and thank you maam

latest polling..

Crist 38%
Rubio 34%
Meek 17%

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8280950

i can not prevent it
shameful though

Crist is decent alternative to Rubio if Meek cant win. That's all I am saying.

crist is rubio as rubio is crist as both are jeb bush
crist will follow his orders
even if those orders say go independent to break up the votes in florida,work the north end and act moderate for the white dems that wont vote meek if they can find a way not to
keep meek from the indies by offering them a more moderate "choice"

those are crists marching orders
he is untrustable

and think what you will
when you advocate crist you are advocating the republican

:fistbump:

as a former farmboy i am most familiar with the scent of fresh BS
crist will sell out rubio is nuts
meek is our best choice

I suspect it will become more clear as things play out. I am done with this thread. Peace.

able to address it because crist is an independent candidate
i understand the policy if i am even close to what it is
i just think that the cheerleading for crist has gone on enough
meek can win if we the dems of florida support him
crist must have his own forum somewhere
maybe at fakeindependantcandidateunderground.com
i welcome everyone to go there and cheer him on
here
on du
i personally feel it should be all meek all the time

#'s don't improve then Crist would be better the Rubio. I think most of us here are for Meek. I don't doubt that Crist would be a Repub but he is most likely an opportunist and might caucus with whatever side has the majority in the Senate. I wouldn't trust him. Would he be better then a teabagger? Yes. Is he a liberal Dem? No way.

The rough minimum any, even the most lame Dem candidate will pull in a general election is around 35 percent. In a typical two person, two party race, getting only 40 percent is a rout. When it comes to november, Meek should be able to pull something in the range of 40 perent. This leaves 60 percent to divide up between the other two. As long as they split the vote more or less evenly, Meek is your next Senator. If Crist or Rubio collapses then one or the other has a chance of victory. My read has them slicing up roughly 62 percent of the pie. If one drops near 20 the other becomes Senator, if both hang near 30, both lose.

Since they are both fighting over the dividing line in the same part of the pie, the campaign will get quite negative and nasty and has the distinct chance of driving down R turn out.

Meek's chances are very under-rated at this point. I think he has a far better than 50:50 shot at pulling this off.

Great post. The Republican and independent vote will be split. It doesn't matter if some racists won't vote for Meek. He only needs 35%-40% to win a state carried by Obama.

I'd be all for Crist. If Meek is going to lose, throw your support to Crist in order to stop Rubio. If Meek cannot climb out of the basement in the polling, there is no sense at all in allowing that Teabagging fuck, Rubio, take it.

what Rubio might DO! If Jebby was bad for Democrats, Rubio is a DISASTER!! I will do what I NEED to do to keep Rubio from winning!

If Rubio succeeds I will AGAIN have to suffer a thousand CUTS!! How much more must I, as a TRUE Democrat stand by and watch a once great party CAVE for the sake of money and WALL STREET contributions??

Despondency is a feeling that is prevalent in my world these days!!!

I know I'm anal but it needs to be stressed....a republican running under No Party affiliation not as an Independent.

Rubio is a Jeb! puppet...note Jeb didn't formally endorse him UNTIL Crist changed over.


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Sorry... but Rubio must be defeated at all costs.

If Meeks gets no traction on the campaign trail, he won't get my vote.

their neighbor might support him?

matter quite so much for me as I am a Florida Dem abroad.

The only support I can give would be monetary and my donations have gone to the FL Governor's race where I know the candidate really well and have met her many times.

So, for me, the only decision is the vote... it would be a bit harder if I was working for candidates within the state.

If you follow FL politics, you know Crist...

It is easy to know enough about Rubio to want to vomit.

Meek is a largely unknown quantity...

Even given that it would still be an easy choice to vote for Meek if it were a normal race. I just cannot in any way envision a Sen. from the State way to the right of Mel Martinez.

That has to be stopped at all costs.

Whoever shows me that they can deliver that defeat has my vote.

that don't come down to race. A lot of this "we think its OTHER people who are racist and won't vote for him" stuff. I heard a lot of that when Obama ran for Senate and President too. I didn't take it seriously then either.

http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=8092

Short List

NARAL - 100%
Planned Parenthood - 100%
NAACP - 100%
Human Right Campaign - 95%
National Education Assoc. - A
American Association of University Women - 100%

League of Conservation Voters - 100%

Children's Defense Fund - 100%

Gun Owners of America - F-

Its "M_E_E_K" -- no "s".

points for that, even if just a few

If nothing else Crist has some cajones.

Rubio is completely unacceptable.

You're setting yourself up for a con.

If the polls don't change come election day Crist will get my vote.

Rubio is Jeb's lacky and must be defeated.

Rubio is a dangerous bastard!!!

I think Crist will end up being as "moderate" as his buddy McCain once he is in the senate. The GOP doesn't tolerate moderates in the senate.

By the time this nasty election is over his name will be mud with most Republicans and Crist will no doubt feel the same towards them. He will probably have no choice but join the Dems. I also think Crist is going to begin to lean more left on many issues such as women's rights, gay rights, environment, etc.. I think he will be more like a Democrat than many of our Blue Dogs. Crist has jumped the GOP ship and there's no turning back.

unless a large number of Democrats support him rather than Meek. If Crist's name is in the mud and Rubio can't reach beyond the GOP base then Meek is a shoe in.
So why are you campaigning for Crist again?

Charley has the inside scoop on Rubio. He knows how deep Rubio's involvement in the RPOF fundraising / credit card scandal runs, and from all early reports, it runs pretty deep. The feds are investigating because Charley, as Gov. Crist, requested they do so. Holder's justice department has every reason to work toward release of indictments prior to the election, simply for the sake of justice.

The punchline is that Charley thinks he can use the investigation and coming indictments to drop Rubio's numbers into the low 20s or lower. This would leave enough votes on the table for him to win a plurality. If Charley did not think he could reduce Rubio's numbers to the low 20's or lower in the general, there would be no point in his running.

If we can get Meek to 42 or 43 by the election, under most scenarios, Meek wins. Bottom line, the hardcore tea partiers will vote for Rubio, unless Charley unearths video of Marco taking envelopes of cash from Fidel Castro or Hugo Chavez. Short of something like this Rubio's base is in the high teens to low 20s. If Charley can drive his support down to this base, he could make the low 40s. We just need to get Meek to the mid 40s for a lock.