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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:36 AM
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LIVE on C-Span2: Senate Debating Financial Reform. As Biden would say, This is a big f*cking deal!
Edited on Thu May-06-10 10:50 AM by flpoljunkie
Senator Feingold now speaking. Senator Schumer just finished speaking against the Republicans' Consumer Financial Protection Agency alternative--an outrageous giveaway to big banks, credit card companies and payday lenders!
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:45 AM
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1. Feingold's right. The bill needs improvement to avoid another crisis. Let's hope the Dem come thru.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 11:18 AM
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2. Bob Corker making me smile describing how strong the Dems CFPA is!
Can't write and enforce its own rules. Has its own budget.

Corker says if their alternative amendment fails, they will try to tweak and change the Democrats' bill. Let's hope the Dems hold firm and do not water the CFPA down. Elizabeth Warren says the Senate's CFPA agency bill has been watered down enough!
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 11:24 AM
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3. TPM: Obama Rips GOP Financial Reform Amendment That Would 'Gut Consumer Protections'
Obama Rips GOP Financial Reform Amendment That Would 'Gut Consumer Protections'

Ben Frumin
May 6, 2010, 12:03PM


President Barack Obama

President Obama released a statement today about a GOP amendment to financial reform that "will gut consumer protections and is worse than the status quo."

Here's the full text:

Nearly two years after the collapse on Wall Street that cost over 8 million jobs on Main Street, the American people deserve strong, tough reform that will help prevent another financial crisis. The bill before the Senate demands accountability from Wall Street and includes the strongest consumer protections ever.

Unfortunately, throughout this debate, there have been partisan attempts to obstruct progress and weaken reform. Today, the Senate is considering a Republican amendment that will gut consumer protections and is worse than the status quo. I will not allow amendments like this one written by Wall Street's lobbyists to pass for reform. This amendment will significantly weaken consumer protection oversight, includes dangerous carve outs for payday lenders, debt collectors, and other financial services operations, and hurts the ability of community and local banks to compete by creating an unlevel playing field with their non-bank competitors.

As I have said throughout this process, I want to continue to work with Democrats and Republicans because protecting the American people should not be a partisan issue. But we must work together in good faith. Alternatives that gut consumer protections and do nothing to empower the American people by cracking down on unfair and predatory practices are unacceptable, and I urge the Senate to vote no on weakening consumer protections and instead stand with the American people.

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/05/obama-rips-gop-financial-reform-amendment-that-would-gut-consumer-protections.php?ref=fpa
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 11:26 AM
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4. Senator Franken's talking on his amendment to fix the perverse incentives of the ratings agencies
This is also a 'big f*cking deal.'
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 11:29 AM
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5. K & R. Thanks. Yes, this will be a VERY BFD
if they get some good things done.

Live link: http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN2.aspx

Franken up now.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 11:30 AM
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6. Thanks, chill_wind!
Agree with your assessment.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 11:33 AM
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7. Now Shelby. You should have started an ***Official Thread***
DU doesn't have one?
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 11:42 AM
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8. Shelby, we need more of those CPF bureaucrats! Elizabeth Warrren said crisis started 1 bad mortgage
at a time!
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 11:54 AM
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9. Shelby ends by saying he 'trusts consumers to make their own decisions.' What an audacious lie!
The Republicans say they are protecting consumers and small business, but in reality it is the big banks', credit card companies' and payday lenders' profits they are protecting.


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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 12:44 PM
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10. *Barbara Boxer* up now. n/t
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 01:23 PM
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12. The more I hear Republicans whine and lie, the more I like the Dems CPFA bill!
How they live with themselves lying to everyone, including the small businessmen they claim they are 'protecting' is a mystery to me.

Shame on them and the special interests lobbyists who wrote their Consumer 'Protection' alternative bill!



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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 12:45 PM
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11. The Plumline: Franken, Feingold Sign On to big-bank-busting measure, bringing total to 11 senators
Franken, Feingold sign on to big-bank-busting measure, bringing total to 11 Senators

Okay, I've got more signs for you that Senate liberals may be gaining momentum with their efforts to toughen up financial reg reform.

Senators Al Franken and Russ Feingold have signed on to an amendment to FinReg -- being pushed hard by liberal Senators -- to break up the country's biggest banks by capping their desposits and limiting other liabilities.

That brings the total number of Senators backing this approach -- which is not supported by the White House -- to 11. It's still unclear whether the amendment will get a vote, but the mounting support could up the pressure for one.

Senator Franken's office confirms to me that he's now on board with the proposal. Feingold gave a speech on the Senate floor moments ago coming out in support of it, too.

This approach, which is the handiwork of senators Sherrod Brown and Ted Kaufman, is a serious challenge to Wall Street and represents an ambitious effort to rein in the power of the biggest banks and limit their destructive potential.

more...

By Greg Sargent
May 6, 2010

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/05/franken_feingold_sign_on_to_to.html
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 03:04 PM
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64. Nice!
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 01:26 PM
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13. Now Charlie Crists' hand-picked place holder, LeMieux, is up praising this Republican CFPA sham!
I think he may be saying the problem was bad mortgages so we only need to regular 'mortgage' companies--that would, of course, not include, banks, in their view.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 02:07 PM
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14. Senate begins roll call to vote on Shelby's Sham Consumer Protection Alternative Bill
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 02:10 PM
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15. ***Bernie Sanders!***
Edited on Thu May-06-10 02:13 PM by chill_wind
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 02:20 PM
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16. Thanks! Bernie Sanders works for us--the American people.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 02:31 PM
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17. Republican sham bill fails 38-61!
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:03 PM
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19. YESSS! 24 hours on one amendment and big FAIL
Shelby Amendment Gutting Consumer Protection From FinReg Bill Fails
By Annie Lowrey 5/6/10 3:39 PM

The much-derided amendment by Sen. Richard Shelby (R-Ala.) to gut the consumer financial protections from Sen. Chris Dodd’s (D-Conn.) financial regulatory reform just failed. Sens. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) and Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) both voted against the amendment. The final vote was 38 yeas, and 61 nos.

Next vote up: Sen. Bernie Sanders’ (I-Vt.) amendment to require an expansive Government Accountability Office audit of the Federal Reserve.

Dodd has said he will go back and forth between Republican and Democratic amendments; Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) says there will be a vote or two tomorrow morning as well, and has asked that people with similar amendments merge or drop them.

Dodd and Reid are also begging their fellow senators to keep time for amendment debates to a bare minimum, with Dodd noting that they spent 24 hours on the Shelby amendment. “I can’t spend 24 hours on one amendment and accommodate people here,” he says.

http://washingtonindependent.com/84181/shelby-amendment-gutting-consumer-protection-from-finreg-bill-fails
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:08 PM
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20. Love it! The 'Big Fail!'
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 02:43 PM
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18. Senator Bernie Sanders speaking now on his 'Audit the Fed' amendment.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:09 PM
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21. Last push.. oh man oh man!
My stomach..lol
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:11 PM
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22. Dodd now speaking. He's cosponsoring Sanders' 'Audit the Fed' amendment!
That's news.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:13 PM
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23. Grassley seems to be supporting Sanders' bill, as well. He also voted against the R's sham CFPA!
Edited on Thu May-06-10 03:18 PM by flpoljunkie
Senator Snowe also voted against this sham Financial Consumer Protection bill.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=2&vote=00133
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:16 PM
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24. *Reid will vote YES!*
Edited on Thu May-06-10 03:25 PM by chill_wind
Audit the Fed Politicking Heats Up, as Reid Indicates His Yes Vote
By Annie Lowrey 5/6/10 2:01 PM

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) tells Ryan Grim of the Huffington Post that he is leaning toward voting for two controversial amendments: one provision by Sen. Ted Kaufman (D-Del.) and Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) to break up big banks and create hard asset and leverage caps, and the audit-the-Fed amendment sponsored by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.).

The two amendments have both received bipartisan support despite strong — if until very recently behind-the-scenes — opposition from the executive branch, including the White House, Treasury Department and Federal Reserve. That opposition had been giving senators pause. For instance, Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) had indicated she would vote for the strong audit of the Federal Reserve, but then backtracked. Expect to see more and more senators indicating a firm yes or no today as the vote on the Sanders amendment might come as early as this afternoon.

http://washingtonindependent.com/
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:19 PM
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25. Since Dodd is now a cosponsor of the bill, I expect Reid will be a definite Yes vote.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:22 PM
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26. Brownback the CFPA will not penalize car dealers or orthodontists--unless they are screwing folks!
Edited on Thu May-06-10 03:22 PM by flpoljunkie
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:54 PM
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27. Coburn on and on-- my god. Is he going to take up the whole NEXT 24 hours?
eom
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 04:04 PM
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28. Byron Dorgan preachin it at Coburn-- "A Carnival of Greed".
Edited on Thu May-06-10 04:11 PM by chill_wind
and now speaking in support of Sanders Amendment.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:08 PM
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29. Dorgan is great! He voted against the repeal of Glass-Steagall-one of about 8 senators.
52 Republicans and 38 Democrats voted for the bill. Sen. Richard Shelby of Alabama (Republican, formerly a Democrat) voted against it, as did 7 Democratic Senators: Barbara Boxer (Calif.), Richard Bryan (Nevada), Byron Dorgan (N. Dakota), Russell Feingold (Wisc.), Tom Harkin (Iowa), Barbara Mikulski (Maryland) and Paul Wellstone (Minn.) Sen. Peter Fitzgerald (R-Illinois) again voted "present", while Sen. John McCain (R-Arizona) did not vote.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm–Leach–Bliley_Act

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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:15 PM
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30. I see McCain is filibustering-railing now about Fannie and Freddie. I suggest McCain read this.
Posted on Sun, Oct. 12, 2008

Private sector loans, not Fannie or Freddie, triggered crisis

David Goldstein and Kevin G. Hall | McClatchy Newspapers

last updated: February 19, 2010 02:01:13 PM

WASHINGTON — As the economy worsens and Election Day approaches, a conservative campaign that blames the global financial crisis on a government push to make housing more affordable to lower-class Americans has taken off on talk radio and e-mail.

Commentators say that's what triggered the stock market meltdown and the freeze on credit. They've specifically targeted the mortgage finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which the federal government seized on Sept. 6, contending that lending to poor and minority Americans caused Fannie's and Freddie's financial problems.

Federal housing data reveal that the charges aren't true, and that the private sector, not the government or government-backed companies, was behind the soaring subprime lending at the core of the crisis.

Subprime lending offered high-cost loans to the weakest borrowers during the housing boom that lasted from 2001 to 2007. Subprime lending was at its height from 2004 to 2006.

Federal Reserve Board data show that:

*More than 84 percent of the subprime mortgages in 2006 were issued by private lending institutions.
*Private firms made nearly 83 percent of the subprime loans to low- and moderate-income borrowers that year.
*Only one of the top 25 subprime lenders in 2006 was directly subject to the housing law that's being lambasted by conservative critics.
*The "turmoil in financial markets clearly was triggered by a dramatic weakening of underwriting standards for U.S. subprime mortgages, beginning in late 2004 and extending into 2007," the President's Working Group on Financial Markets reported Friday.

Conservative critics claim that the Clinton administration pushed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to make home ownership more available to riskier borrowers with little concern for their ability to pay the mortgages.

more...

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2008/10/12/53802/private-sector-loans-not-fannie.html
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:21 PM
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31. McCain..zzzzzZZZZzzzzzZZZZzzz
I've cooked dinner, cleaned the whole house, painted the whole outside of it, watched all the paint dry... spring has turned to summer, a glacier has melted, whole continents have shifted....

he's ... still....talking.

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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:47 PM
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32. Funny! Are they having cloture vote on Sanders' "Audit the Fed' amendment or something else?
Have been listening to UK election results on the BBC website.

Is anyone paying attention? Financial reform is a big f*cking deal!
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 06:06 PM
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33. Yes procedural vote on Sanders amendment, I'm pretty sure. Dodd wanted to move on it. n/t
Edited on Thu May-06-10 06:08 PM by chill_wind
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 06:08 PM
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34. Any Republicans voting for cloture? Or Dems against? It's taking forever!
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 06:14 PM
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35. I couldn't tell you. I just woke up from my McCain filibuster nap
long enough to hear Dodd asking if they could finally move.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 06:19 PM
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36. Interesting, no one seems interested but us. This is a 'big f*cking deal!'
Chuck Schumer gave Bernie Sanders a nice congratulatory slap on the back. Sanders has earned it.

Perhaps the banks have called in their chits. They do not want us to know how much money they got from the Fed.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 06:39 PM
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38. The passage of this has a lot of implications.
If it and Too Big To Fail passes, it will be quite a victory for a broad swath of ordinary Americans.
Lots and lots and lots of ordinary, angry Americans who want answers, accounting from those who have been successfully hiding from us while thieving from us-- and reform.

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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 06:40 PM
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39. Along with a strong consumer protection agency, which could even be strengthened in conference.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 06:44 PM
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41. Yes!
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 06:36 PM
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37. Why is this cloture vote taking so long!
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 06:41 PM
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40. I think they all left on a dinner cruise, figured McCain would still be talking
when they got back.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 06:45 PM
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43. You make me laugh!
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 06:44 PM
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42. Ah! Evidently, Reid is demanding that all senators be on the floor.
Although, there was a vote. 61 Ayes and 33 Nos. Looks like a cloture vote to me.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 06:59 PM
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44. It appears they are not voting on Bernie Sanders amendment now.
Will try to find out what's going on and check back later.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 07:32 PM
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46. Did Reid just say they were just told they have to pass a war supplemental?
Edited on Thu May-06-10 07:35 PM by chill_wind
Tonight??

“We were at a meeting today, and we were told by Secretary Gates that we had to pass the war supplemental before we leave here…”

In the meantime, WTF DID happen to the Audit the Fed vote?
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 08:05 PM
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49. Here's a quick rundown
Edited on Thu May-06-10 08:06 PM by chill_wind
by a TPM blogger. I also peeked in on a couple other blogs that were following.

Short version-- nobody knows what happened to the actual vote.

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/k/g/kgb999/2010/05/audit-the-fed-debate-in-proces.php?ref=mp
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kittykitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 07:16 PM
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45. Brown/Kaufman bill up now--break up the largest banks
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Diamonique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 07:38 PM
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47. AcK!! I must be missing something.
Why are my favorite Senators voting no on this amendment?

Isn't this the one to break up the big banks?

S.3217
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 07:40 PM
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48. Thanks!
Edited on Thu May-06-10 07:41 PM by chill_wind
Something very screwy looking has happened in the last hour, but at least they are getting to at least one more amendment, I hope.

:hi:
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 08:30 PM
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50. Vote On Fed Audit Delayed To Accommodate Bennett (TPM)

Financial Reform
Vote On Fed Audit Delayed To Accommodate Bennett

Brian Beutler | May 6, 2010, 8:23PM



A last minute snag tonight temporarily delayed a vote on Bernie Sanders' amendment--still expected to pass overwhelmingly--to force an audit of the Federal Reserve.

Republican Sen. Bob Bennett is in his home state of Utah today, in the last days of a tough primary campaign. Because the race is so close, he doesn't want to be held accountable for missing a vote on an important amendment, popular on the grassroots right, so Republicans sought a delay. To move things along, Democrats acceded, but will instead hold votes on several other amendments tonight--including one, authored by Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH), limiting the size of large financial institutions.

Sanders' amendment will likely get a hearing Tuesday.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/

***********************************************************

Hey, flpoljunkie-- thank you for this thread today!


:hi:
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 08:36 PM
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53. Sorry! You beat me to it! And, thank you for your participation!
:hi:
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 08:31 PM
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51. I see that Brown's amendment was rejected on senate.gov. Was this the SAFE banking act?
And, did anyone hear the vote tally?
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 08:34 PM
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52. TPM has the update. Sanders amendment delayed. Brown amendment failed 33-61!
Late Evening Senate Action

David Kurtz | May 6, 2010

The Senate is still voting this evening on amendments to the financial reform bill. However, the "audit the Fed" amendment by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) that we were expecting to see passed tonight has been delayed after some last-minute maneuvering.

Sen. Bob Bennett (R-UT) wanted to be present for the vote, but he's back in Utah fighting for his political life in advance of this weekend's state GOP convention where he may very well lose his party's nomination. Apparently Bennett didn't want to miss this vote and have that used against him by his opponent in the closing hours of their campaign.

Despite that delay, the politics of financial reform have shifted significantly in recent days, and the Senate is now expected to pass a series of amendments that will significantly strengthen the bill's reforms.

Late Update: A long-shot to pass, the amendment by Sens. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) and Ted Kaufman (D-DE) to put absolute limits on the size of financial institutions just went down to defeat, 33-61.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/05/late_evening_senate_action.php?ref=fpblg

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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 08:38 PM
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54. Senate recessed for the evening. No votes tomorrow, just more debate on the amendments.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 08:51 PM
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55. Roll call vote is up on Brown Kaufman SAFE Banking Act! It got only 33 votes! Damn!
Edited on Thu May-06-10 08:58 PM by flpoljunkie
The big banks really did not want this one to pass. And, they certainly got their wish.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=2&vote=00136

American Financial Stability Act of 2010)
Statement of Purpose: To impose leverage and liability limits on bank holding companies and financial companies.
Vote Counts: YEAs 33
NAYs 61
Not Voting 6


Grouped By Vote Position

YEAs ---33

Begich (D-AK)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Burris (D-IL)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Casey (D-PA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Ensign (R-NV)
Feingold (D-WI)
Franken (D-MN)
Harkin (D-IA)
Kaufman (D-DE)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Merkley (D-OR)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Shelby (R-AL)
Specter (D-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Udall (D-NM)
Webb (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)

NAYs ---61
Akaka (D-HI)
Alexander (R-TN)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bennet (D-CO)
Bond (R-MO)
Brown (R-MA)
Brownback (R-KS)
Burr (R-NC)
Carper (D-DE)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Cochran (R-MS)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
Dodd (D-CT)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagan (D-NC)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Inouye (D-HI)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
LeMieux (R-FL)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
McCain (R-AZ)
McCaskill (D-MO)
McConnell (R-KY)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Reed (D-RI)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Schumer (D-NY)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Snowe (R-ME)
Tester (D-MT)
Thune (R-SD)
Udall (D-CO)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (D-VA)
Wicker (R-MS)
Not Voting - 6
Bennett (R-UT)
Bunning (R-KY)
Byrd (D-WV)
DeMint (R-SC)
Lugar (R-IN)
Vitter (R-LA)
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 09:00 PM
Response to Reply #55
56. Senate Votes For Wall Street;
Edited on Thu May-06-10 09:21 PM by chill_wind
Megabanks To Remain Behemoths

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/06/senate-votes-for-wall-str_n_567063.html



Two Republicans, Richard Shelby of Alabama and Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, voted with 31 Democrats, including Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada, in support of the provision. The author of the pending overall financial reform bill in the Senate, Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd, voted against it. (See the full roll call.)

The amendment, sponsored by Sens. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) and Ted Kaufman (D-Del.), would have required megabanks to be broken down in size and capped so that their individual failure would not bring down the entire system.

Under Brown-Kaufman, no bank could hold more than 10 percent of the total amount of insured deposits, and a limit would have been placed on liabilities of a single bank to two percent of GDP.

In practice, the amendment required the six biggest banks -- Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup, Wells Fargo, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley -- to significantly scale down their size. It was touted as a way to end Too Big To Fail.

Though top Obama administration officials have not publicly opposed the amendment, its leading economists have opposed ending Too Big To Fail simply by breaking up the nation's financial behemoths. Austan Goolsbee and Larry Summers have both fought back against this idea, as has Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner.



more at the link.

Americans and Main Street lose. Again.

Edit to add-- thank you for posting the vote. That was fast!
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 06:25 AM
Response to Reply #56
58. I am afraid I agree with Huffpost's assessment. Wall Street wins!
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #55
57. Weird distributions there
One observation - Brown, who is on the Banking committee was able to get only Merkely of the 13 members of the banking committee. This includes Dodd, Menendez, Akaka and Reed who are all among the most liberal.

It will be interesting to read statements on this - do they disagree with the concept or the way it is done. As this was said to be a long shot, could it be the concern that if added with a 50/50 vote, it might derail the final passage that needs 60. What does work with this theory is Reid and Durbin voted for it. Reid is up in a tough election, but Durbin ran in 2008.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 06:30 AM
Response to Reply #57
59. Obama administration did not want this amendment passed. Big banking states fared well with their
Edited on Fri May-07-10 06:57 AM by flpoljunkie
senator's votes, along with the usual Conservadems. I am disappointed Kerry voted against this amendment. I agree with those who think that 'Too Big To Fail' is 'Too Big!'

Will Cantwell's amendment, a return to Glass-Steagall, now get a vote?

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 08:01 AM
Response to Reply #59
60. Like you, I had hoped that he would have voted for it and assume that he will
Edited on Fri May-07-10 08:06 AM by karynnj
issue some statement. I haven't read the reasons that Obama's economists gave for being against it. In the past, one concern was that limiting American banks would make them unable to compete with international banks. In fact, I am embarrassed to admit that the idea was so intuitively pleasing that I did no serious thinking or reading on this. In addition, I knew many prominent economists were for it.) But, Kerry, Reed, and Lautenberg are three Senators whose intentions I trust.

It also might be that, unlike Glass-Steagall, it puts a cap on size, rather than putting a wall between what functions a bank can do. The problem was caused because the banks were allowed to go into far more speculative areas after the repeal of Glass-Steagall. The question might be that the imposition of an arbitrary limit on assets for a bank might cause some unintended distortions.

If Kerry is against both this and something Glass-Steagal like(and all possible variants if his problem with it is more specific) because he is convinced that with appropriate regulation and a process to deal with defaults, he feels the banks can be safe enough, I disagree. (even though I trust his motives.) This is really not inconsistent with his past votes. Where he is good is that he is a bulldog against fraud.

The question comes down to what is needed to make the financial industry stable. Could it be that the regulation and process of using an industry funded pool to wind down a failed companies would be enough? (ie Cox letting leverage go from 1:12 to 1:40 and the lack of any transparency or regulation on derivatives and the repeal of Glass-Steagal having put the huge assets of all the major banks into play in this casino might have together caused that perfect storm.) It may be that Kerry is more willing to believe that good regulation is the answer and a better way of dealing with this.

It does go to show that there will never be a politician that anyone agrees with 100%.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #60
61. He'll get called a sellout corporatist for
Edited on Fri May-07-10 10:56 AM by politicasista
poo-pooing Main Street. (Not by the OP, but the "liberal progressives" and the Anti-Wall Street crowd).

I don't blame Obama and/or the Adminstration for being against this. Wall Street and the banks are full of crooks and greed.

Me thinks that DU will agree 100% with Franken, Kucinich, Feingold, and/or DU favorites. (No throwing shade here!)

Thank goodness me isn't a huge political junkie. Politics is shady IMO. It's hard having to please everyone 100% and Obama is finding that out.


Almost like the IWR all over again.










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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 11:10 AM
Response to Reply #60
62. I think rules need to be in place, because administrations change. Bush's regulators prime example.
Do not know what the prospects are for reinstatement of Glass-Steagall or whether there is another amendment that would address leverage limits. Bush SEC guy Cox leverage loosening really lit the match for the financial crisis.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #62
63. On all of those things, I am woefully uninformed
On Glass-Steagall, I think what some have spoken of is a version brought up to date to handle the current financial world. I agree with you that something have to not only be "rules in place", but rules defined by legislation. As you pointed out, the amount of leverage was something that the chair of the SEC could set.

An interesting side note is that it was spring 2004 when Cox made that change. Consider the impact. It was essentially a massive (private sector) stimulus program. It effectively increased the amount of money in the system. One impact was that it allowed the housing bubble to continue to expand. It is very easy to see why Bush would have approved his SEC head to do that at that point. It likely played a role in 59% of the country seeing the country as doing very well or fairly well in a poll taken the last week of October 2004.

Given that this shows the political nature of that rule and the incredible effect it could have, I think that legislation should at least set an allowable range that would be publicly known and would require a law to change. I have no idea what is in the main bill or what the expected amendments are. (I can see I should be reading.)
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WhoIsNumberNone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #55
65. I wonder how the teabaggers are liking Scott Brown now?
n/t
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