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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:04 AM Original message |
Is it inherently problematic for a Dem politician or nominee to be in the closet? |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
1. Where does the speculation come from? |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:22 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. speculation is all over the web |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 09:51 PM Response to Reply #3 |
86. Yeah... and a google search turns up a bunch of blog posts like yours |
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nickinSTL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
2. while I get the point you're making |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:27 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. But there is media scrutiny whether we like it or not |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 12:25 PM Response to Reply #4 |
21. How do you know Justice Souter wasn't a straight person who wanted |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. For all I know he could have been |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 04:39 PM Response to Reply #24 |
38. We don't know that Souter didn't have a partner, male or female. |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
5. Only if Glenn Greenwald declares they are badwrong. n/t |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 12:02 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. can't speak for anyone else but myself |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 02:33 AM Response to Reply #9 |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
6. When, where and how a person comes out should be up to that person |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:57 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. In the private world, I would agree |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. You know that the right wing would like to out Kagan, right? They'd like |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 12:34 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. You're blurring the lines between public and private people |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Kagan will become a public figure if she is indeed nominated |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Read all the news about this subject |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Unless I've missed something, she hasn't been nominated yet. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 04:40 PM Response to Reply #22 |
39. I don't think that's necessary to know. Some people like to parade their connections. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
7. Hiding makes it sound dirty or wrong. |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 12:14 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. I don't like the idea of a closeted judge making decisions about gay rights |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
10. So we should pry into people's personal lives and force them to 'out' themselves? |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 12:12 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Identifying a public persons's spouse is "prying?" |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 12:14 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Your agenda in this post is strange |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 12:21 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. my "agenda" (interesting choice of words) is for the media to end this "cone of silence" |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 12:23 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. If they did what you suggest, you'd be up in arms that the media was outing people |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 12:37 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Actually, I've always been fine with the media "outing" public figures |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 12:22 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. How do you know they cover the status of every straight public figure? |
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beyurslf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
11. I think it is her choice to come out publicly or not. I would hope that she would do so |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
13. Due to the abuse she'd take from the Repubs., I don't think she should introduce her family |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 10:25 PM Response to Reply #13 |
65. That's my favored scenario, too, Jenmito. nt |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
17. I disagree. I don't think the Supreme Court membership needs to be limited |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
27. Personally, I look forward to the day when the only thing which matters |
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left is right (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. While I agree with you |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:56 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. personally, I agree with you. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #28 |
41. Souter was an excellent Justice and we never knew anything about his love life |
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left is right (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 05:16 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. i have to admit that you are right; he was excellent |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 05:22 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. And that proves my point. Scalia is ODIOUS despite his public family image. |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 10:33 PM Response to Reply #45 |
66. Ironically, Scalia was loved waaaaay too much by his parents, aunts, uncles... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
29. Agreed. |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
32. Assuming she is closeted (that's a big if), it's her business alone. |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
33. Way to kill her prospects in one fell swoop, tyvm. Ideology meet Reality. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 03:11 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. that's a pretty bad message to send to gay kids and gay teenagers |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. It would be worse to watch her nomination get torpedoed because she's gay. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 03:46 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. So, if she has a partner, it's OK to sweep her under the rug? |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 10:11 PM Response to Reply #36 |
64. Nope. I simply believe that people are entitled to a zone of privacy around their families if ... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 04:49 PM Response to Reply #33 |
42. Exactly. Parading your family should not be a prerequisite for public service. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 04:52 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. delete |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 10:32 AM Response to Reply #33 |
74. What's intrinsically wrong with shooting her down? |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 03:03 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. That question doesn't even deserve an answer |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
35. If she has neither confirmed nor denied, then she must consider it |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
37. What if the whole goal is to send a "spy" into the enemy camp so to speak? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 04:54 PM Response to Original message |
44. You're assuming that the nominees need to knuckle under to the media's wish that they |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 05:23 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. while I understand your point, that's the way our media works |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 05:50 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. What makes you think that your policy wouldn't just result in more people |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 06:04 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. because what I am suggesting is that we as a country |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 06:55 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. That's very idealistic, but I think it would only slow cultural change, |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 04:19 AM Response to Reply #50 |
70. Are you suggesting she should be a martyr to the cause? |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 03:08 PM Response to Reply #70 |
78. Yeah, martyrdom is so much more special than getting a job done. Personally, I don't think that ... |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 05:37 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. Maybe authenticity can go hand in hand with getting the job done |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 05:33 PM Response to Reply #70 |
81. why would I or anyone else hold that against her? |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
49. Honestly, this whole "we must know every detail of your entire life" |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 06:07 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. knowing who someone's spouse is |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 06:17 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. And do my kids and husband define who I am as a person? To a point but not the entire person. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 06:26 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Well of course it's only to a point |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:27 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. I'm sure the Rethugs would love it if the media would out her, so they'd |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:23 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. It may be common and or humdrum but it shouldn't be necessary, especially |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 07:01 PM Response to Original message |
55. I'd love for her to get confirmed |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
56. I am not sure of the answer to this |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:25 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. What if being open would make her unconfirmable? Because Republicans would |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:38 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. I really don't think they would dare |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 10:09 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. It wouldn't be overt. They'd find some other reason to stick with the rest |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
60. K&R for a thought-provoking post. - n/t |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:45 PM Response to Original message |
62. I think her family life is no one's business |
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dumpdabaggers (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
67. David Souter |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 03:11 AM Response to Original message |
69. Too many straight people just don't get this |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 07:23 AM Response to Original message |
71. I just think it is offensive to consider that a woman in her fifties that is not married (or in a |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 10:03 AM Response to Original message |
72. Opposing a nominee because you suspect he or she might be closeted makes you a crypto-homophobe |
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PatSnow (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
73. It would be nice if she starts a new fashion |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 10:37 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Hello |
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PatSnow (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 12:07 AM Response to Reply #75 |
90. Thank you |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 05:21 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. We're talking about someone's family composition |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
76. Her sexual orientation has NOTHING to do with her abilities as a justice |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 05:26 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. Uh, I never said it did - that's not the point of the OP |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
83. Yes, I think it is inherently problematic because it is being dishonest. |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 09:41 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. So... are you saying that Elena Kagan is being dishonest here? |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 10:48 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. Read what I wrote. I have no idea is she's gay or not. How do you know? |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
84. Is it inherently problematic to make threads that..... |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 09:52 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. so being gay is such a horrible thing to you that you find it to be a smear? |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 07:43 AM Response to Reply #87 |
91. Absolutely not |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 08:05 PM Response to Reply #91 |
96. the "rumors" were already there |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 10:08 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. Wondering if someone's gay isn't "a smear" |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 07:46 AM Response to Reply #88 |
92. If you have specific evidence, present it |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 07:59 AM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Andrew Sullivan is inquiring about it as well |
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Hansel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 08:54 AM Response to Original message |
94. Stephanie Miller is in her 40s and not married. Is she gay? |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 08:01 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. Do you really want me to answer that one? |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 08:29 PM Response to Original message |
97. I have no idea whether she's gay or not and it doesn't matter to me one way or the other. |
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