Obama is a...

Pick one that best describes what you see as the political beliefs of our president. (With a few items added for our lurking teabaggers)

which is what the nation will do, next election.

Kenyan


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The first poster with no sense of humor that accuses me of being a birther can go suck a lemon. ;)

Wouldn't want to get TS'd for a joke. :D

Get it straight...Kenyan Muslin!!

;-)

that i am already sucking a lemon :hi:

;)

influence what he does once he gets in office. It's nothing that we haven't seen happen before and I'm pretty sure we'll see it happen again in future elections.

There is no surer way for any politician to alienate his or her base than compromise. Obama is an unapologetic compromiser.

Cautious incrementalist liberal

would be no talk of extending helping those out of work in recession under coprotist. More a genuine moderate than the Repulican version. He's a moderate with social conscience and in the big picture it's big step up from a lot of Presidents.

it is a tough job, enough with the labeling already.

I've never seen a rational discussion regarding what this word even means in real terms. As a matter of political ideology, I don't know how you could distinguish it from fascist and have the term mean anything. It seems here to be little more than a semi-polite euphemism for "someone with a belief system that's really similar to that one that turned up in the early part of the 20th century, but I don't want to say the word."

It would have been interesting to see the distribution of votes in this poll with the removal of "corporatist" while leaving "fascist" there.

and social fascism. Economically, a Corporatist is no different from a fascist, however, that doesn't mean that the Corporatist in question wants an undemocratic, authoritarian dictatorship ruling the country. Other countries yes, but not the "home" country, like the United States.

... but do understand, your one post is the most rational commentary I've seen on the term.

I don't know if I believe most people genuinely think about it.

in politics, a classic example are the National Socialists, who of course oppressed real Socialists to help advance their political agenda. Its hard to quantify political terminology when its definition not only changes over time, but changes according to geography. A Canadian or European who describes their idiotic conservatives on this board are basically describing our mainstream Democrats in America.

I only use this as an example, like the term fascism, conservative has different meanings. I think, for many people on this board, fascism is a mix of authoritarianism and economic-conservatism(NOT fiscal conservatism). Hence the coining of the term corporatism to describe people who may genuinely believe in political freedoms, but also believe that corporations and the preferential treatment of them by government is the best economic system.

If govt. is involved in supporting, helping, regulating and propping up businesses then that is considered part of the old fashioned term of corporatism. But we really don't discuss the history of it here at all. The United States has not been pure capitalism in a long, long, long time. Are we fascist? No. Are we heavily involved as a govt. with corporations? Yes. And that is not socialism either, as some on the right would have some think. Is it the new definition of coporatism? Perhaps. Also, if we look on the website Political Compass, most of the Dems and the Rethugs are not that far from each other.
Obama has never been anything other then what he was...a moderate in the terms of the United States political system.

"When examining the chart it's important to note that although most of the candidates seem quite different, in substance they occupy a relatively restricted area within the universal political spectrum. Democracies with a system of proportional representation give expression to a wider range of political views. While Cynthia McKinney and Ralph Nader are depicted on the extreme left in an American context, they would simply be mainstream social democrats within the wider political landscape of Europe. Similarly, Obama is popularly perceived as a leftist in the United States while elsewhere in the west his record is that of a moderate conservative. For example, in the case of the death penalty he is not an uncompromising abolitionist, while mainstream conservatives in all other western democracies are deeply opposed to capital punishment. The Democratic party's presidential candidate also reneged on his commitment to oppose the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. He sided with the ultra conservative bloc in the Supreme Court against the Washington DC handgun ban and for capital punishment in child rape cases. He supports President Bush's faith-based initiatives and is reported in Fortune to have said that NAFTA isn't so bad. Despite all this, some angry emailers tell us that Obama is a dangerous socialist who belongs on the extreme left of our chart. In an apparently close race, genuine leftists McKinney and Nader may attract sufficient votes from Obama to deliver McCain to the Oval Office."http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2008



To me, he never presented himself to be anything other then this. I don't get the outrage around here. He is what he has always been.

I think Obama is doing a wonderful job considering MOTHING in America was left undamaged after the past 20 years of Conservative Values.

The sad thing is Obama will probably be a one term President...I sure hope not but it appears this country is so hung up on extreme ideas that few will see what this President has done to save this country, its economy and help the common people.

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Problem with that?


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to spark interest.

So I'd guess he's a Kenyan Muslin Corporatist Fascist Rockstar Socialist Compromiser.

:rofl:

How many ways are people going to come up with an "Obama sucks" thread? We're finding out.

Right leaning moderate.

Any unbiased liberal would approve of his job performance, which is why a large majority do in every poll that's ever taken.

this is the best choice, imo, because Obama said it himself.

Obama described himself as a "New Democrat."

On the other hand, President Obama has a known record of rejecting membership in the DLC since 2003.

hint: it's NOT because they say things I disagree with. Not everyone realizes that.

Same with anonymous sources. If that's a bad method, it's NOT only when they say something bad about Obama. Not everyone understands that. Get a story with anonymous sources saying good things about Obama, no one will complain.

<<Get a story with anonymous sources saying good things about Obama, no one will complain.>>

I don't take those seriously, either. And I sure as hell don't believe anything GOP-owned Politico says, unless they back it up with named sources.

you consider it a smear of some kind to say that Obama is a New Dem? What do you have against the New Dems?

when it gets in the way of their feelings on the matter.

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Both in the media- and on message boards.

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:rofl:

:sarcasm:

interest rates? http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503983_162-6231654-503983.html

Obama administration and its opposition to passing Kaufman-Brown. May the fleecing of Main Street and the bailing-out of Wall Street continue: http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/05/kaufman-brown-banks-obama

I wouldn't say the WH opposes Kaufman-Brown but Austan Goolsbee does feel that a more surgical approach would be more effective than the blunt force approach. From your own source:



Sounds reasonable to me. There's more than one way to prevent a problem. I'm sure that the WH would be fine with Kaufman-Brown if it passed. How do I know this? Well, look no further than this evidence: the Kaufman-Brown amendment picked up the WH's top Senate ally and President Obama's close friend and champion, Senator Dick Durbin. I doubt the WH is "opposed to it" if Sen. Durbin has signed onto the amendment:

Yes. I said it. Deal with it.

... in every poll.

BTW, I was about to post that answer. :D

Obama is neither a dogmatic ideologue nor a strict partisan. Thank goodness. Yet that's what frustrates so many on the political extremes. In the end, the Firebaggers do serve an important purpose in balancing out the Glenn Becksters.

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Nobody with a functioning brain could think Obama's a socialist.

Corporatist, fascist... blah blah blah...

The rest of your labels are virtually meaningless as far as Obama is concerned.

But I almost marked "socialist" to counteract the "he'z a KKKORPORATIST!!!111! fantasyland folks".

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If being president is sufficient to require respect from voters, then you have to respect the idiot Bush.

Deal with it.

Nailed it. :thumbsup:

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And that was the number in January, before he engineered passage of the most sweeping health care reform legislation in a generation, which was also supported by 90%+ of liberal Democrats.


http://www.nationaljournal.com/njonline/mp_20100104_1650.php

...or is predisposed to not like him, whatever he does. :)

Honestly, I think this is just another instance where the DU-echo chamber is a bit out of touch with political reality. Try this: approach a friend who is at least moderately aware of politics but not a full out junkie. Tell him/her that there's this political forum that you hang out in and many there think Obama is a "corporatist" or a "conservative". Watch the reaction.

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What an excellent way to show your lack of judgement.

:rofl:

brilliantly smart President:dem: :dem: :dem:

He's in an enviable political position now. He's not likely to have a primary opponent and the Republicans are behaving like baboons.

Best president of my lifetime despite your constant harping.

I've been alive since JFK.

100%

:eyes:

Sometimes to excess.

Can't you feel the HOPE?!?

otherwise known as Democratic Hell :evilfrown:

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Who has done nothing to stem the rising tide of fascism.

But I have to say, this isn't what I thought I was voting for.

...can you dig it?

He is definitely "all over the map" on various issues and impossible to pin him down to one specific ideology. Based on my reading of "The Audacity of Hope," I actually don't think he really INTENDS to represent a particular ideology but rather is more focused on developing pragmatic and politically palatable solutions to complex problems and is willing to listen to all sides of the debate in an effort to come up with solutions. On that score, he has been pretty consistent since he became POTUS, something that, although I'm sure that it can be frustrating at times to many people, is refreshing to see in a politician and, frankly, what our leaders should really be doing more of IMHO.

Sigh.