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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 11:17 AM Original message |
Matthew Yglesias: It's Bush's Oil Spill |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
1. BUNK! Who is our President Now? eom |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 11:36 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. While I don't give Obama a total pass, how was he supposed to fix everything? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
22. Obama is suppose to single handedly facilitate the reform of all thats wrong in the world in less... |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 12:40 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. A young (16 year old) acquaintance this week asked me when things went to shit |
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krawhitham (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 11:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
76. wave his magic wand |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 11:37 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Ignoring the bush crimes now are we??? |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 12:03 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. No, but when you enter into a position of Authority, say ... The Presidency, |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 12:07 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. I like you. You have spunk!! |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 12:18 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Thanks for that. |
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Blue_Roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 04:14 PM Response to Reply #13 |
65. you're pretty naive' of how the process works... |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 03:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
51. Yeah, if it means blaming them |
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watrwefitinfor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 11:43 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. You, Madam, are certainly a piece of work. n/t |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 11:51 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. I could say the same about you. Of course GWB has great responsibility but the contortions |
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watrwefitinfor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 11:53 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. To which I can only add: |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Pointing out that Bush set this all in motion (actually it was really Cheney) |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 12:10 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. IMO, A very well considered opinion. On this, you and I are in complete agreement. |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 09:16 PM Response to Reply #17 |
75. Thanks! |
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Blue_Roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #9 |
66. it's not about letting "anyone" off the hook... |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #7 |
30. ROFL absurd huh? |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Yes, why are you still here? Just look at your mean-spirit throughout this and so many |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Can someone tell me if ignored vile hate replied to my post? |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. If nothing else, you're consistent. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 02:04 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. What? |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 03:25 PM Response to Reply #30 |
52. Only on toxic |
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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 12:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
14. People like you are the reason politics has devolved to its current state. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 12:12 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Politics ideologies of this nation have morphed so far to the corporate right ... |
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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 12:23 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. So you admit you haven't matured since the 70's. Nothing to really brag about. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 12:40 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. I've matured about as much as you have. |
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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 01:20 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Not only are you utterly predictable, you're also a bore. |
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tledford (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 07:20 PM Response to Reply #21 |
73. Interesting implication. |
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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 07:31 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Wrong. Not dealing with reality=stagnation. In case you haven't noticed.. |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
2. "Smirk." -xCommander AWOL (R) |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
3. The spill belongs to those who support offshore drilling. nt |
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LakeSamish706 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
6. This is pretty much a total Bush/Cheney screw up, like most of the other |
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Dan (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. smiling, because my friend |
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LakeSamish706 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 11:51 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Yeah I did think about that last night actually and figure that is why Obama never |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
12. It's *EVERYONES* spill. Who freakin cares but the pundits! |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
18. Both parties are guilty! |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
25. When you adopt Bush's policies, they become your own n/t |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
27. The recent mining tragedy and this spill are the culmination of a decade of deregulation. |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
28. That point would have been infinitely easier to make had Obama not |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 03:35 PM Response to Reply #28 |
55. It doesn't matter..it is what it is whether |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 05:16 AM Response to Reply #28 |
79. + 1 million -- Obama has done absolutely NOTHING differently, so he now owns it (nt) |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
29. You'd have to be a Republican or an idiot moron to blame this on Obama |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
31. Obama's Int Dept exempted this BP project from req EIS, which would have prohibited it |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. The "blow out" rule was lifted in August 2008 under BushCo. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. I guess it was not a priority for the present Administration to consider reinstating IT ... |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Read the article. Salazar was not aware MMS exempted BP in August 2008. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. When you are placed in charge, feigning "ignorance" is not a valid excuse. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Moving the goalposts? The point is that the Obama Admin did not exempt BP as claimed here. nt |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 02:14 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. The Point is that BOTH Administrations bear the brunt of "the blame." |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. That's not what you said upthread: "BUNK! Who is our president now? eom" |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 03:36 PM Response to Reply #47 |
56. I know what I typed and yes, it's NOW Obama's spill. But the blame is with BOTH ... |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Just knocking down where appropriate your nonstop blaming of this administration. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 03:55 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Oh come on? He deserves much more pressure from our "progressives" in Congress. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 04:31 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. Here's the way I look at it. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 04:37 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. We disagree. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 04:53 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. There you go again. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 05:29 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. No, IMO, the distortion is yours. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 05:51 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. LOL! Have fun storming the castle! |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 06:00 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. I'd rather be radical than SERVE the political elites who don't give a damn about ... |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 02:58 PM Response to Reply #41 |
50. Actually it is when you may still be understaffed. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 03:44 PM Response to Reply #50 |
57. Whose fault is it when President Obama will not even take INITIAL steps to investigate war |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 02:48 AM Response to Reply #57 |
77. What does war crimes have to do with this discussion? |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. immaterial; the project itself would not have been approved by EIS that Salazar exempted BP from |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. You have made it relevant by virtue of your need to lay all blame at Obama's feet. nt |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Deleted message |
AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Ain't that the truth? Oy. nt |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 02:17 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Nobody is placing ALL the blame on President Obama. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 02:24 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Your own words render your response horseshit: |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 03:31 PM Response to Reply #46 |
54. That's the point to correct the situation. In essence, the OP is placing all the blame on Bush. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Funny, I see you as part of the "Obama does everything wrong" crowd. nt |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 03:52 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Too Funny! I see you as the mirror opposite. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 03:53 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. You brought it into the conversation & I responded. It's up to you to change that dynamic. nt |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 04:01 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. It's seems obvious to me. There's a nerve being struck on both sides of this argument. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
49. Majority of DU tells me it's Obama's fault. A small number deny it. Why can't we just blame BP? |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 03:28 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. The greenham and rotten eggs |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 04:07 PM Response to Reply #49 |
64. Excellent Idea! Let's dissolve BP and put their assets within the Government Coffers for |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 02:53 AM Response to Reply #64 |
78. I would agree with this 100% |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 05:24 AM Response to Original message |
80. what a load of crap. who gives a fuck about bush? Obama did NOTHING differently |
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