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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:31 PM Original message |
Could someone offer SPECIFIC EXAMPLES of actions the Whitehouse could take on this gusher? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
1. They should put top men on the case. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. top. men. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:34 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. You stole my punchline. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. what are you gonna do about it? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:42 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Are you itching to find out? |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:43 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. sweet jesus. n/t |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 04:38 PM Response to Reply #14 |
208. OMFG!!!!!! |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 07:14 PM Response to Reply #9 |
139. Hit Girl would totally KICK ASS! |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 12:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
235. THAT'S IT!!! |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:38 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. Who is on the case now? Bottom men? |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. psst, you missed an indiana jones joke. |
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JBoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #12 |
49. top.men. |
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Eric Condon (761 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:59 AM Response to Reply #1 |
179. T.O.P. M.E.N. |
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whyverne (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
4. Call in the Marines! |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
114. yes, they can shoot it shut |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:14 AM Response to Reply #114 |
190. toss a few grenades in - that should stop it! |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #190 |
207. Or create the coolest underwater blow torch ever |
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FSogol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
5. The WH could fix it! That's what I would do! |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:20 AM Response to Reply #5 |
191. send Rahm down in a deep sea vehicle and he could remotely fix it |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
6. it doesn't matter whether or not there's anything feasible the govt can do... |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:43 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. so, you don't have any concrete suggestions, either? |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:44 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. #1 is quite vague. 2 & 3, go for it, but it won't stop the spill |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:46 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I'm saying Obama needs to empower them to TAKE ACTION not study |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:50 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. More vague platitudes lacking any substance towards a real solution to stopping the gusher. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:52 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. where is your substance, then? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:53 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. I don't need any. I don't claim to know how to fix this. You do (yet provide no actual solution). |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:55 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. nope, your right. flamebait never needs an explanation |
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FSogol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:53 PM Response to Reply #22 |
32. What would the ships do? |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:54 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. really, government ships are doing that? or are they BP ships? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. BP has the materials, tools, and skilled workers to construct it, the government does not. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:57 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. say a man shoots you in cold blood. Do you let him dress your wounds? |
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FSogol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:59 PM Original message |
Say at ambulance crashes into you, would you let the paramedics bandage your leg? |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
52. I'd call another ambulance. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 08:50 PM Response to Reply #52 |
145. Which could very well mean you bleed to death in the meantime |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
54. Deleted message |
MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 08:36 PM Response to Reply #44 |
142. What you are suggesting is that the government no matter who |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 05:43 AM Response to Reply #142 |
181. you make a fair and valid point. |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:50 PM Response to Reply #181 |
206. I think that you are on the right track |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:12 AM Response to Reply #44 |
220. if he's the only damn doctor capable of the work availablle |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:51 AM Response to Reply #44 |
227. If a Dr. shoots me while cleaning his gun, then yes |
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byrok (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 01:25 PM Response to Reply #44 |
237. I shot a man in Reno once... |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:10 PM Response to Reply #37 |
58. Rather difficult to ascertain the facts, |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:09 AM Response to Reply #22 |
219. Just DO it. don't research it. |
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PufPuf23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:18 PM Response to Reply #20 |
67. I am certain Govt scientists are looking but whether they are |
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tledford (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:28 PM Response to Reply #17 |
77. Well, they could try concrete. :-) eom |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:21 AM Response to Reply #77 |
193. Hallibuton is responsible for concreting of oil wells |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:53 AM Response to Reply #77 |
228. your kidding right? |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:21 AM Response to Reply #6 |
192. what nonsense! |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
7. They could nuke it from orbit. |
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TomCADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 07:39 PM Response to Reply #7 |
210. Actually, some folks did propose nuking it for real. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
10. I've already made concrete suggestions |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:42 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. 1. Is a bunch of vague bullshit. 2 and 3 have nothing to do with my question. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:45 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. really? in what way? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Deleted sub-thread |
FSogol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:49 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. You think they don't already have dozens of experts studying the problem? |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. actually, the scientists are being PREVENTED from studying the problem by the Obama |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:54 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Yes they actually DO have scientists on this. That doesn't mean you open up a disaster area... |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:55 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. who owns those scientists? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. It doesn't matter. Its not profitable for BP to avoid stopping the gusher. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:57 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. is it profitable for BP to save the environment, or collect the oil? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. They can't collect the oil if its spread around the whole gulf and out to the Atlantic ocean. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:03 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. what are their concrete plans to clean up the environment? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:04 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. This thread isn't about the cleanup problem, its about stopping the gusher in the first place. |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:18 PM Response to Reply #50 |
66. You ignore the fact that they ARE collecting the oil, |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:21 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. The oil they are collecting is coming from the gusher. |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:28 PM Response to Reply #43 |
78. Well, alrighty then. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #78 |
97. Can you put aside the politispeak for a minute and just answer my question? |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 08:49 PM Original message |
What is your background in petroleum engineering? What are your sources for the administration's |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 06:51 AM Response to Original message |
213. only petroleum engineers are allowed to comment? |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:17 AM Response to Reply #213 |
221. "fulfills that request" |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 08:49 PM Response to Reply #40 |
144. Dupe pls delete |
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FSogol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #29 |
46. No, plently of scientists are aboard Coast Guard ships and are studying the problems |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. whose scientists are those? BP's? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Its a well known fact that scientists not employed by BP were pulled in on this early. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:09 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. links? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. I'm not there working with the teams of people who are on this... |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:14 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. um, really? you seem to be putting yourself in the postion of shooting down every suggestion I make |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. You didn't make any real suggestions. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:17 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. you asked for input. I gave it |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:16 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. you only made one hugely vague suggestion. "get scientists together to fix it." |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:17 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. asked and answered. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. Yea, "no shit sherlock" should have been our first and only response to that. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:26 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. well that would have been more polite actually. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:26 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Geez, stop being so thin skinned. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:28 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. shrug... I call it as i see it. |
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FSogol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:00 PM Response to Reply #48 |
128. MMS, USN, & the US Coast Guard. Info here: |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #46 |
80. Do you have a reputable link to support that assertion? n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:18 PM Response to Reply #80 |
116. Deleted message |
dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:24 PM Response to Reply #116 |
119. You made a statement, did not provide a link. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:15 PM Response to Reply #119 |
130. Um, actually there was a link in that post before it was deleted. |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 07:01 PM Response to Reply #130 |
137. Um, actually the post I originally responded to was # 46, |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:56 AM Response to Reply #137 |
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relayerbob (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #29 |
234. Evidence? |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 12:04 PM Response to Reply #21 |
231. i hate to break it to you, but organizing scientists isn't a concrete solution |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:10 PM Response to Reply #10 |
59. *every available non-bigoted engineer and scientist nt |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:29 PM Response to Reply #10 |
133. Good Lord. None of your suggestions do one thing to stop the oil spill, which was the whole point |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 06:53 AM Response to Reply #133 |
214. another example of unrelenting grief from someone who has not the temerity |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 07:20 PM Response to Reply #214 |
239. You waited two days to post this foolilshness??? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:57 PM Response to Reply #10 |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:23 AM Response to Reply #10 |
194. they are (1) and will 2 and 3 so what else? |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:51 AM Response to Reply #10 |
198. More engineers doesn't typically help |
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NoNothing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
11. He should follow the example of King Canute |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:44 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. LOL |
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KansasVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
13. Maybe have the EPA not listen and believe everything BP says!!!!! |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:44 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. They don't need to listen or not listen to BP. Thats irrelevant to my question. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:47 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. yes, as I said, that is the only answer you're willing to accept. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:31 PM Response to Reply #23 |
81. Obama can only do what the government is legally enabled to do |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:39 PM Response to Reply #81 |
89. You don't sound like a conservative by acknowledging current legal realities. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:41 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. and what are those legal realities, exactly? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:49 PM Response to Reply #93 |
99. Your feelings are hurt. I get that. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:10 PM Response to Reply #99 |
111. if they seized BP equipment, would anyone know how to use it? |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 06:10 AM Response to Reply #99 |
182. my feelings aren't hurt, thanks for asking. |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:39 AM Response to Reply #13 |
196. What one believes is not relevant |
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Webster Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
26. I would like to see scientists and the media allowed in. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:50 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Seeing what the toxins in this are doing to animals. I can understand keeping civilians out. |
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Webster Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #27 |
71. Including media? |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:26 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. excellent question. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:27 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. The severity isn't being hidden. Everyone knows this is an epic mess. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:29 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. that is patently false, and you know it. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:38 PM Response to Reply #79 |
87. Are you seriously telling me that you don't know this is an epic mess? |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:39 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. sigh |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:43 PM Response to Reply #90 |
96. I'm not sure it should be open. Animals are dropping dead from the toxins. |
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Webster Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:50 PM Response to Reply #96 |
101. That's bullshit and you know it. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:53 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. Were they allowed to charge into ground zero on 9/12? |
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Webster Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:59 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. Nevermind. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:59 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. Thats what I thought. |
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Webster Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:05 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. Oh yes, you defeated me with your idiocy. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:12 PM Response to Reply #109 |
112. Yea, suggesting that there are dangerous toxins around the effected area is delusional. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 06:13 AM Response to Reply #96 |
183. so the press being blocked is ok with you? |
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Webster Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:48 PM Response to Reply #75 |
98. Sure, everyone at DU knows it. Others? Maybe not so much. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:49 PM Response to Reply #98 |
100. I don't think its all media suppression. There are obvious safety concerns. |
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Webster Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:52 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. Oh bullshit! |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:54 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. The toxins from this are all ready killing off entire segments of wetlands. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:58 PM Original message |
Here, Mr safety expert, tell me THIS is bullshit. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:58 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. Here, Mr safety expert, tell me THIS is bullshit. |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 07:05 PM Response to Reply #102 |
138. That's why they're not allowing the shrimpers |
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Webster Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 08:02 PM Response to Reply #138 |
140. Unbelievable, ain't it? |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:05 PM Response to Reply #100 |
110. Then they can don Hazmat suits, |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:28 AM Response to Reply #71 |
195. You mean the NY TImes isn't down there in a diving bell? |
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KansasVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:03 PM Response to Reply #27 |
108. LOL....Yes, scientists do not understand toxins! Wow, are you desperate! |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:19 PM Response to Reply #108 |
117. What does "understanding toxins" have to do with anything I said. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:52 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Precisely, KEEPING OUT THE SCIENTISTS is an anti-solution |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:54 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. So you think the multitude of scientists all ready on this aren't really scientists? |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. who are these scientists, and who pays their paychecks? |
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Webster Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:23 PM Response to Reply #34 |
70. I keep seeing stories about oceanographers who can't get info from NOAA |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
35. It's like fixing a car, you open the hood take a look and fix it! |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:55 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. LOL! Ross Perot charts is nothing but win. |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #39 |
47. My subject line is a Ross Perot quote, too |
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JBoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:04 PM Response to Reply #35 |
55. +1 for a relevant Ross Perot reference |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 08:12 PM Response to Reply #55 |
141. Incomplete though- needed a reference to the "giant sucking sound" |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 08:37 PM Response to Reply #141 |
143. That Giant sucking sound you hear is Kevin Costner's oil spill cleanup machine. n/t |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:37 PM Response to Reply #35 |
85. This is the best post of the week. |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
82. So what you're saying is |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:35 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. DING DING DING we have a winner |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:42 PM Response to Reply #82 |
95. Not exactly. I'm saying if you are going to accuse the administration of not trying... |
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Hansel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:57 PM Response to Reply #95 |
136. Excellent point. nt |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
84. The premise of this thread is weak. It's the equivalent |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:37 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. precisely |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:01 PM Response to Reply #86 |
158. Deleted message |
Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 06:43 AM Response to Reply #158 |
187. I think its an accurate assessment of the OP's intent |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:49 AM Response to Reply #158 |
197. don't be rude please |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:40 PM Response to Reply #84 |
91. Nice foamy mouthed rant, now can you tell me what we could do that we aren't doing? |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:41 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. my my your flamebait is nice and toasty. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:52 PM Response to Reply #91 |
126. I didn't see anything foamy-mouthed. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:01 PM Response to Reply #126 |
129. Because none of it was relevant to my question. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:10 PM Response to Reply #129 |
165. You don't have a question. You have an attack. And it isn't working |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:16 PM Response to Reply #165 |
168. Continue dodging the question then. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:43 PM Response to Reply #168 |
174. Continue dodging the truth then |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:48 PM Response to Reply #174 |
175. Okay, you can continue on with empty claims of "rhetorical nonsense". |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:00 PM Response to Reply #84 |
157. What's weak is your failure to answer the question and instead go on the attack |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:51 PM Response to Reply #157 |
161. The only attack here is this inane pseudo-logic |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:13 PM Response to Reply #161 |
166. No one in this thread has apologized for anything for BP. Thats just dishonest. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:32 PM Response to Reply #166 |
171. No actually, since you brought it up, your entire argument is dishonest. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:43 PM Response to Reply #171 |
173. Ya know, its OK that you lack the ability to answer the question. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #171 |
205. you sir, are full of crap. |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 12:06 PM Response to Reply #84 |
232. so you don't have a solution either. BP has the equipment to work a mile underwater |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
88. I want to see a President who is engaged... |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:41 PM Response to Reply #88 |
92. Most of what you just suggested IS just political optics. |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:21 PM Response to Reply #92 |
118. Really? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:33 PM Response to Reply #118 |
120. Yes, MOST of your original points were just political optics. |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:37 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. So apparently you missed the reports... |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:41 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. Visibility won't do a damn thing to stop the gusher so yea, its just making you feel better. |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:46 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. I ask again: |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:59 PM Response to Reply #123 |
127. I've read a ton of stories of things they are considering. |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:16 PM Response to Reply #127 |
131. He has put together a team of scientists... |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:13 PM Response to Reply #131 |
167. Running a meeting will not stop a leak at this depth. |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:44 AM Response to Reply #167 |
178. You don't say... |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:21 PM Response to Reply #92 |
170. We'll never know, as long as we leave BP in charge |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:38 PM Response to Reply #170 |
172. Where in this thread did anyone say they preferred BP to be in charge? |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:48 PM Response to Reply #172 |
176. Great! |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:56 PM Response to Reply #176 |
177. I never once disagreed that BP has had their shot and blew it. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
113. Obama could set fire to his March 31st offshore drilling plan |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:17 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. I have a feeling that regardless of what the Obama admin wants to do... |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:50 PM Response to Reply #113 |
125. +1 |
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tranche (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
124. Fire Rahm! |
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philly_bob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
132. Call a summit of all oil-drillers and the oil industry. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:44 PM Response to Reply #132 |
134. That sounds like a good idea, but I think Haliburton would just suggest waterboarding the damn leak. |
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golfguru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:11 PM Response to Reply #132 |
149. A beer summit...good idea. |
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Hansel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
135. They could get a really big cement truck and a big tube... |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
146. Short answer is, no one knows, even those purporting to have answers |
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NanceGreggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:18 PM Response to Reply #146 |
151. A-fuckin'-men. n/t |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:00 PM Response to Reply #146 |
162. I have tried, boy have I tried to get that across. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #146 |
203. +100000 |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:32 AM Response to Reply #203 |
223. ditto +100000 |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 07:34 PM Response to Reply #146 |
209. Thank you. Some dumbass actually admitted after skewering Obama for "not doing enough" |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:04 PM Response to Original message |
147. What has you really upset is that someone is less then complimentary Obama's handling of anything |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:17 PM Response to Reply #147 |
150. What I think that upsets the OP is the lack of knowledge of those attacking Obama |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:27 PM Response to Reply #150 |
152. +1 |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:00 PM Response to Reply #147 |
156. Now that was a truly inane and utterly useless post |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 06:14 AM Response to Reply #156 |
184. unlike yours. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 08:32 AM Response to Reply #184 |
188. That's correct, we all saw how badly you got hammered with your |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 06:47 AM Response to Reply #188 |
212. at least I offered some |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:02 PM Response to Reply #147 |
163. Okay, so after you are done playing psychoanalyst expert over the internetz... |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:04 PM Response to Reply #147 |
164. No, what has me upset is the unwillingness of some to admit |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:34 AM Response to Reply #164 |
224. maybe he should put on a flight suit |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:19 PM Response to Reply #147 |
169. Yep, like a DA that only takes slam dunk cases |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:56 AM Response to Reply #147 |
201. Lather, rinse, repeat. |
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golfguru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
148. What surprised me is the amount of oil gushing out |
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KansasVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
153. wow, I'll add you to the 'Obama is perfect' group |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:59 PM Response to Reply #153 |
155. why? |
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Nancy Waterman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:02 PM Response to Reply #155 |
159. Simple solution suggested on a video I saw today |
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suzie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:23 PM Response to Reply #159 |
204. The environmentalists are deadset against this solution. |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #204 |
238. why? |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:37 AM Response to Reply #159 |
225. Sorry - most here aren't really interested |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
160. Specific actions: |
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Kablooie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 04:30 AM Response to Original message |
180. He could at least insure that the data that is released is accurate. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 06:20 AM Response to Original message |
185. So, in summary, lets look at your views on this disaster. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:55 AM Response to Reply #185 |
200. I think you covered it all. Good work. n/t |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 06:34 AM Response to Original message |
186. It is not their job to fix this shit.... |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:04 AM Response to Original message |
189. What they can do is move us to an economy not dependant entirely on oil. |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
199. Tweety had a brilliant idea yesterday . . . |
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OneBlueSky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
202. well, he might try nationalizing every deep sea resource available . . . |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:05 PM Response to Original message |
211. Rule #1 Legal is not a concern. Will the physics work is my major question |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 08:55 AM Response to Original message |
215. At an absolute MINIMUM |
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ensho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
216. first - arrest the criminal barons and their henchmen |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
217. Obama could eat a big meal, skinnydip to the bottom of the Gulf, and take a giant dump into the pipe |
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CLANG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
218. Chill out people! Top Kill is coming this week! No worries!! |
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agentS (922 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
222. No solutions? I guess I have to step in here |
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SoxFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
226. Ask Kucinich to lead a drum circle |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
230. Why would they want to fix it? Obama caused it on purpose, right?? |
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GiveMeFreedom (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 12:34 PM Response to Reply #230 |
233. 5000 feet is deep! |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #230 |
236. BP has refused EPA's order to change dispersants. What is Obama doing about that? |
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