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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 08:53 AM
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Kagan has already demonstrated that she is unqualifed to be on SCOTUS, let alone be on any bench
Edited on Sun May-23-10 08:56 AM by brentspeak
In the SCOTUS-bound case Monsanto v Geertson Seed, which pits agribusiness giant Monsanto against a rival seed company, Kagan is, as Solicitor General, http://www.theatlantic.com/food/archive/2010/05/elena-kagan-toward-a-pro-gm-supreme-court/56587/">intervening on behalf of Monsanto. However, the United States government is not a defendent or a party in this case. Therefore, Kagan has overstepped -- abused, really -- her role as Solicitor General.

Ideally, Kagan should be facing an investigation over her activities, not facing a SCOTUS nomination hearing.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 09:11 AM
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1. The federal government was involved in this case from the start
In 2005, the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (“APHIS”) deregulated RRA, a genetically engineered alfalfa seed developed by Petitioner Monsanto. Respondent Geertson Seed Farm, a grower of conventional alfalfa, alleged that APHIS violated the National Environmental Policy Act (“NEPA”) by not conducting an environmental impact statement (“EIS”) before deregulating RRA. A district court found a NEPA violation and enjoined all future use of RRA until AHPIS completed its EIS. The Ninth Circuit affirmed. Monsanto challenges the Ninth Circuit’s ruling, arguing that the standard the district court employed to grant the injunction erroneously equated the NEPA violation with the likelihood of irreparable harm. Geertson maintains that the standard used was correct and that they demonstrated a likelihood of irreparable harm should RRA enter widespread use without further agency review. The Supreme Court’s decision will clarify the standard plaintiffs must meet in order to enjoin federal action that violates NEPA.

http://topics.law.cornell.edu/supct/cert/09-475


This was never just about Monsanto and Geertson Seed Farm. APHIS (ie the Department of Agriculture) was involved from the beginning.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 09:20 AM
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2. Yes.. that is right... While most of us share the deserved disdain
Edited on Sun May-23-10 09:20 AM by hlthe2b
for Monsanto, Kagan was doing her job in representing her client, the US Government. Our anger needs to be placed towards those who are enabling Monsanto as AG policy.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 11:07 AM
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4. From a legal standpoint, and at this point, the case is strictly only about Monsanto and Geertson
Edited on Sun May-23-10 11:15 AM by brentspeak
APHIS is not named as a party in this appeal to SCOTUS, though it originally was in when Geertson first petitioned the Northern California district court and in the subsequent appeal to the 9th. Monsanto, not APHIS, is now bringing this final appeal to SCOTUS, and Kagan, even though the solitor general's office was not obligated to do so in the least, made the decision to intervene on Monsanto's behalf.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 06:07 PM
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9. Did you miss the fact that the federal government was enjoined?
Edited on Sun May-23-10 06:24 PM by msanthrope
Do you have any concept of what being the federal respondent in a case is?

Or did the legal analysis from the Gourmet food editor not explain that?
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 06:27 PM
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12. You are correct, they are the federal respondent....but a food editor from Gourmet magazine
says that Kagan shouldn't have done her job.

I mean, of course the legal analysis of a food writer should be seriously considered in the search for a SCOTUS pick...

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 10:05 AM
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3. If Elena Kagan's trespass is as grievous as you suggest, brentspeak,
then it is likely, is it not, that Russell Feingold and Bernie Sanders and Barbara Boxer and other consistently progressive Senators will be so morally outraged by the notion of Kagan's serving on the HIgh Court that they will in fact undertake investigations into her role in the case you cite.

We will all await the announcement of those hearings.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 12:20 PM
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5. Your reading of the case is amazingly facile--and wrong.
The Solicitor General was making a highly technical argument under rule 65.

When you intervene in a case like this, you MUST intervene on the side of the entity getting the default of the court action that you disagree with---thus the ACLU intervened in Rush Limbaugh's drug/medical records case--on HIS side--even though they cordially hate each other. Did the ACLU's intervention on that case mean that they supported and liked, and defended Rush? NO--they supported a technical aspect of the case regarding medical privacy.

That's precisely what happened here. Kagan was entirely correct in her assessment that a permanent injunction was improperly granted, and she was entirely correct in her choice to file on behalf of government agencies who would then be subject to a bad standard.

She made no argument on the merits. She did not dispute that APHIS violated NEPA.

This talking point is legal hackery.....it may play well to people who don't know the law, but it won't win you the respect of people who do. It's like Faux News arguing that because the ACLU files an intervenor brief in Skokie, they MUST be Nazi's and anti-Semitic.


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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 12:35 PM
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6. The key words in your post are "When you intervene in a case like this..."
Edited on Sun May-23-10 12:41 PM by brentspeak
The solicitor general's office had zero obligation to intervene in this case.

"Kagan was entirely correct in her assessment that a permanent injunction was improperly granted, and she was entirely correct in her choice to file on behalf of government agencies who would then be subject to a bad standard."

Based on, uh, what? I see a conclusion in your post, but no supporting argument. The Northern California district court and the 9th Circuit both ruled otherwise. You're not on Monsanto's legal team, are you? (you're arguing their case).
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 12:42 PM
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7. Was the US a party to the lawsuit? Yes or No?
The US was not a party to the lawsuit, therefore the government's intervention on the side of Monsanto shows that the Obama Administration doesn't give a hoot about public health, only about the corporate profits.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 06:15 PM
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10. Did you miss the fact that the government was enjoined?
Edited on Sun May-23-10 06:25 PM by msanthrope
Are you aware that a party may be affected by a court case, even without being a listed defendant, or plaintiff? Thus, intervenors.

That's why the ACLU intervened in Rush Limbaugh's drug case. Did they support Rush? No--the point was medical privacy.


As I noted above, just because you intervene in a case doesn't mean you agree with either side--you may be arguing, as Kagan was here, on a very technical point of procedure.

If you have no idea what a federal respondent is, then you look a little silly asking the questions you do.

But keep using a very facile analysis put forth by a former editor of Gourmet magazine---truly, it will convince other legal scholars.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 06:19 PM
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11. Really? Did the legal analysis by the Gourmet magazine food editor
Edited on Sun May-23-10 06:31 PM by msanthrope
miss the fact that the government was enjoined? Did it not include the fact that as federal respondent, they were obligated to do just that?

Which is why the Solicitor is involved?

Do you realize that a case can affect people who aren't the plaintiff or defendant, or that intervenor status doesn't mean you support either side?

Let me tell you about the case where the ACLU intervened in a case against NAMBLA.....
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 01:22 PM
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8. YAPWAHA
Yet Another Poster With A Hidden Agenda
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asphalt.jungle Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 06:30 PM
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13. another?
this is one of the originals ... he's an OG in this game.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 06:33 PM
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15. I think using the legal analysis provided by a food writer is something to be noted, however.
Truly Epic Fail.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 07:25 PM
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17. hidden?!? you're way too kind....
:spray:
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 06:32 PM
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14. Monsanto seed isn't a federal issue?
Seriously, you're making an argument that makes no sense. The seed is federally regulated, in a federal-level dispute.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 07:06 PM
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16. At least discussing something like this is a REAL issue
Unlike dwelling on how she does not cross her legs or that she plays softball or that she once dated a man during the Carter administration.
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