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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 07:01 AM
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"Subpoenas Coming."
By: MIKE ALLEN & TIM ALBERTA & JAKE SHERMAN on May 25, 2010 @ 6:24 AM
EXCLUSIVE -- SUBPOENAS COMING: Look for an aggressive, visible criminal investigation of BP, Transocean and Halliburton after the Gulf gusher is capped. That doesn’t necessarily mean jail time. But companies are assessed huge fines for much lesser environmental violations. Two years after the Valdez spill, the EPA announced Exxon would pay a record $1 billion in criminal fines and civil damages. Attorney General Eric Holder asked the U.S. attorneys in the Gulf states to assess the damage for possible civil or criminal prosecutions. Holder told ABC’s “This Week” on May 9 that he “sent down representatives from the Justice Department to examine … whether or not there has been misfeasance, malfeasance.” They included assistant attorney generals for the Civil Division and Environment and Natural Resources Division.

http://www.politico.com/morningenergy/
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 07:22 AM
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1. If not having a backup plan for the worst
case scenario is malfeasance then BP is guilty as charged.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 01:00 AM
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21. They had a backup plan.
They also had a backup plan, if the backup plan failed.
They also had a backup plan, if the backup plan, to the backup plan, failed.
(etc.)

The problem is that *all* of the prior backup plans failed, which is when things started getting really messy.

They're now concurrently working on backup plans #7, and #8, as #5 and #6 wasn't enough.

By the numbers:
1. Automatic blowout preventer (failed)
2. Manual blowout shutoff (failed)
3. Redundant blowoff shutoff (failed)
4. Dome (failed)
5. Tophat (partial success)
6. Siphon tube (partial success)
7. TopKill (in process)
8. New well hole drilled to both relive pressure and seal the old one. (in process)

I don't know what #9 is. I hope they're working on it.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:03 AM
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2. K & R!
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:07 AM
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3. hahahahahahahah
*aggressive, visible criminal investigation*

:rofl: :rofl:

they've certainly had enough time to script the next dog and pony show....
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:11 AM
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4. The forecast calls for Strongly Worded Letters with a Chance of Subpoenas later in the year.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:16 AM
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5. I'm sure you're rather suspend habeas corpus and just execute them...
but that's not how we do things in this country.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:21 AM
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6. That's a huge leap there pal. Nothing in my post suggested summary
execution.

I'm quite aware how we do things in this country.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:24 AM
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7. Well, subpoenas start the process, so your post calls into question what you know. (nt)
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:25 AM
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8. My post didn't say subpoenas were a bad idea.
My post refers to the long standing practice of Dems not showing enough backbone.

I hope there are 1000 subpoenas issued.

I hope people go to jail over this.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:45 AM
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9. You're mocking the issuance of subpoenas, yet you hope there are 1000 of them?
You hope people go to jail, yet you mock the start of that process?

Sorry, seems low-information to me.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 09:54 AM
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10. The process has been very effective so far.
It's good to see Karl Rove, Harriet Miers, and Joshua Bolton behind bars. And it was awesome to get the servers with the gwb43.com emails from Mike Duncan, the former head of the RNC.

Oh, wait...
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 10:08 AM
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11. BRAVO! +100000 n/t
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 10:34 AM
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13. apples and oranges
But I don't expect you to understand that.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:36 AM
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16. "Well, subpoenas start the process, so your post calls into question what you know"
Subpoenas were issued to Rove et al. and what has happened to the process?

Nothing.

Keep hoping for change. I'll live in reality, thank you.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 01:36 PM
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18. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
I'm just going to say "good bye" and drop both you and the conversation forever, because you're clearly not living in the same reality I am.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 01:44 PM
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19. Obviously, I don't know the difference between apples and oranges.
Please explain the differences to me. I'll wait.

Or are just gonna run away?
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:23 AM
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15. You fail
They said nothing about execution, but you cant stand that someone might think that nothing is going to be done to BP over this. We know nothing is going to happen to them.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 01:35 PM
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17. We don't "know" anything.
But thanks for playing.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 12:01 AM
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20. You constructed such a big fat strawman
It is a serious fire hazard, you should take cover.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 04:12 AM
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22. What fucking strawman?
It's a strawman now to suggest that subpoenas are one of the first steps in an investigation? Really? Do you know what a strawman is, you fucking idiot?
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 07:55 AM
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23. The question is DO YOU KNOW WHAT A FUCKING STRAWMAN IS
You constructed a strawman argument by claiming that the poster wanted to execute BP officials, when he said nothing of the sort. It was much easier for you to attack him based on something he never said or never even inferred.

Here is the definition of Straw man

A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.<1> To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar yet weaker proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.


It is obvious from your response that it is YOU that has no clue what a straw man argument is and resorted to name calling, which is what people do who have no argument.

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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 08:05 AM
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24. /sigh - if that WAS the real basis of my argument...
Reading comprehension is your friend. Embrace it.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 08:07 AM
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25. Of course you dont address anything in my posts
Edited on Wed May-26-10 08:07 AM by spiritual_gunfighter
Typical failure...and you still dont know what a fucking straw man argument is, but we both know that (and anyone else who reads these posts).
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 08:09 AM
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26. If you say so, sport. (nt)
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 08:11 AM
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27. and you still dont know what a straw man is
be embarassed.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 08:14 AM
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28. I am embarrassed...
for you.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 10:10 AM
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12. I am not surprised. Even HW Bush's EPA made Exxon pay up something.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 10:59 AM
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14. Of course it doesn't mean jail time
Everyone in the Bush admin. walked over torture, what makes you think anything is going to happen to BP, Transocean and Halliburton?
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