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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 06:43 AM
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Obama has responded BRILLIANTLY!!! to the oil spill
Edited on Wed May-26-10 06:50 AM by bigdarryl
And here are the FACTS!!! the media and Tweety(Obama scares me bullshit)do not report to the public http://www.piersystem.com/go/doc/2931/565739/ 22,000 personnel and 1200 vessels in the waters and I've heard nothing in the media about this. I just found out about this info this morning listening to Joe(the black eagle)Madison
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 06:48 AM
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1. That is BP paid for.
BP loves how Obama is responding. The regular people, not so much.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 06:50 AM
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2. It should be BP paid for.
But the sending of all the people and boats etc. is the Obama administration responding to the needs of the area.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 07:07 AM
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5. Eh?
So now you are an expert as concerns the response? I don't think so.

The oil is everywhere and you are claiming some kind of success? bZZZZZtt.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 07:18 AM
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9. I can read as well as you can.
Who called it a success? I said they are responding with all that we have. The US government can't do mile deep oil blowouts, we don't have the equipment. You can mfg some with your outrage, but I doubt yelling at it will do the job.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 07:32 AM
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11. If not a succes, then what?
I see this as a failure all the way. I see no silver lining in this cloud.

You say: "...they are responding with all that we have"

And I say you are not an expert so, maybe, you might quit posing as an expert.??

But you do seem to be an expert at internet outrage.... keep attacking us, if that's what you desire.

Beat us down, make us STFU, be outrageous against us!! You're good at that.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 07:36 AM
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12. LOL poor you.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 02:51 PM
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52. Good job,
Your callous behavior is sickening. You claim to be an expert and when called on it you just throw barbs. And that it is exactly what you decry about those of us whose focus is on the environmental restoration. Hypocritical at best, jaxx.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 11:07 AM
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19. gotta love an internet persecution complex... oh how we are keeping u down...
:rofl:
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 08:07 AM
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16. What are YOUR credentials in calling it a failure? Please be specific. (nt)
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 08:03 AM
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15. The regular people are largely ignorant - look at tea baggers
People think the coast guard should be in charge and that all it takes to fix the problem is a engineering degree if that. Scientific illiteracy and a lack of facts and loud opinions represents regular people and politicians. Americans have largely abandoned math and science in favor of business and commerce!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 11:26 AM
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21. Of course BP is paying for it and if anyone cares to know exactly
what the White House is doing instead of throwing cheap shots over the internet..there is real information out there.

"From Day 1, Dept-by-Dept response to the oil spill." Thanks to quietamerican for the heads up on this..

Department of Homeland Security (DHS)

Since the moments after the oil rig explosion on the night of April 20, DHS has played a lead role in federal response efforts—deploying the U.S. Coast Guard to search and rescue the 126 people aboard the rig, and quickly leading efforts to establish a command center on the Gulf Coast to address the potential environmental impact of the event and to coordinate with all state and local governments. Secretary Napolitano leads the National Response Team, an organization of 16 federal departments and agencies responsible for coordinating emergency preparedness and response to oil and hazardous substance pollution events.

U.S. Coast Guard

The Coast Guard has played a major role from the very beginning, when it responded to the explosion on a search and rescue mission to save lives. Pursuant to the National Contingency Plan, Rear Admiral Mary Landry was named the Federal On-Scene Coordinator to lead a Regional Response Team which was stood up that included DHS, DOC/NOAA, DOI and the EPA, as well as state and local representatives. As the event escalated, Coast Guard Admiral Thad Allen was announced as the National Incident Commander for the administration’s continued, coordinated response—providing additional coordinated oversight in leveraging every available resource to respond to the BP oil spill and minimize the associated environmental risks.

Department of the Interior (DOI)

The morning after the explosion, Secretary of the Interior deployed Deputy Secretary David J. Hayes to the Gulf Coast to assist with coordination and response to the event, and provide hourly reports back to the administration. Since then, DOI has played a vital role in overseeing BP’s response efforts while—at the President’s request—working to deliver a report with recommendations on what, if any, additional safety measures should be required for offshore operations. Secretary Salazar has announced that inspections of all deepwater rigs and platforms are underway.

Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)

Since the BP Oil Spill, EPA has provided full support to the U.S. Coast Guard and is monitoring and responding to potential public health and environmental concerns. Environmental data, including air quality and water samples, will be posted and frequently updated on this site as it is collected and validated by EPA’s response teams along the impacted coastlines. This data is meant to determine potential risks to public health and the environment: http://www.epa.gov/bpspill

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration

As the nation’s leading scientific resource for oil spills, NOAA has been on the scene of the Deepwater Horizon spill from the start, providing coordinated scientific weather and biological response services to federal, state and local organizations: http://response.restoration.noaa.gov/deepwaterhorizon
Weather Forecast: http://www.srh.noaa.gov/lix/

Small Business Administration

SBA is making low-interest loans available to small businesses in the Gulf Coast regions of Alabama, Florida, Louisiana and Mississippi suffering financial losses following the April 20 Deepwater BP oil spill that shut down commercial and recreational fishing in the Gulf of Mexico. SBA’s Economic Injury Disaster Loans (EIDL) are available immediately in designated counties and parishes of each of the four states to help meet the financial needs of qualifying small businesses following the oil spill: http://www.sba.gov/services/disasterassistance/

Department of Defense (DOD)

DOD continues to support the ongoing response effort by lending Naval and Air Force bases to provide vital staging areas for boom deployments and other activities, and providing C-130 aircraft equipped with Modular Aerial Spray Systems, which dispense chemical dispersant—capable of covering up to 250 acres per flight. DOD also plays a significant role in the National Response Team, helping to lead the coordination of response actions for the federal government. Secretary of Defense Gates has authorized use of Title 32 status for up to 17,500 National Guard members in four states: Alabama (3,000), Florida (2,500), Louisiana (6,000) and Mississippi (6,000).

Department of the Interior’s Fish and Wildlife Service

The Fish and Wildlife Service continues to support the joint agency response to the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico with experienced specialists, land managers, and support personnel. Booms to capture and deflect anticipated oil are being deployed at Breton National Wildlife Refuge, where thousands of brown pelicans and shorebirds are currently nesting. The Service also is initiating Natural Resource Damage Assessment and Restoration activities in this incident to assess and address the long-term damage to impacted resources: http://www.fws.gov/home/dhoilspill

Department of the Interior’s National Park Service

The National Park Service is focused on human safety and resource protection in eight national parks in the Gulf area. These parks are working to assess resources, collect baseline data, coordinate boom placements, plan for responsible cleanup, install barriers for shore bird and turtle nest protection, and plan for potential park closures, if necessary: http://www.nps.gov/aboutus/oil-spill-response.htm

National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health

Oil spill response workers may be exposed to many different chemical, physical, biological, and psychological hazards. These hazards vary depending on the type and location of the oil spill, type and stage of response, degree of coordination between entities involved in response and recovery, and the workers’ specific tasks. Therefore, occupational and environmental hazards need to be identified, assessed, and monitored in each oil spill response: http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/oilspillresponse

http://www.whitehouse.gov/deepwater-bp-oil-spill
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #21
47. WOW that is a lot of money spent on this disaster!
I hope the spillage stops soon and mega ecological disaster comes to an end.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 06:56 AM
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3. Sadly, even Randi Rhodes who tends to be a bit more rational than many
Edited on Wed May-26-10 07:00 AM by Liberal_Stalwart71
knee-jerk liberals on the Tee-Vee joined in with the "Obama scares me" bullshit crowd. Boy we sure know how to do the right wing's work for them, don't we?

Ed, Rachael, Keith, Randi and a slew of other liberals are shouting that Obama should take over the oil spill.

Take over what? The federal government does NOT have the resources to deal with this.

This is the *PRIVATE INDUSTRY's* mess, let them clean it up.

The government is responsible for protecting its people and doing what it can to address environmental hazards, etc.

It is NOT the government's job to clean up after *PRIVATE INDUSTRY*, especially when said industry is foreign-owned.

I still don't know what people want Obama to do, short of granting NEPA those permits. Other than that, I don't understand it.

My only gripe with him thus far is allowing for more drilling from existing leases. ALL drilling--whether new or existing leases--should be stopped until this mess is cleaned up.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 07:01 AM
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4. OMFG!
I have never heard Randi Rhodes be rational about anything.

She screeches at anybody and everybody who calls her show including people propping up her bullshit.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 07:52 AM
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13. Because I knew this was coming, I have a response. Yes, it is true
that Randi has a reputation for screeching, but she has gotten much, much better than several years ago. In fact, when the wingnuts call into her show, she's calm and relaxed. Believe me, she has her days and there are times when she's wrong and gets on my nerves. But throughout this entire ordeal, she has been level-headed and rational.

Calm down and stop yelling!
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 08:24 AM
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17. I wouldn't know how she is today.
I gave up on her show while she was still with Air America due to the screeching and will never give her another chance.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 11:02 AM
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18. I left her, too, when I couldn't take it anymore. But give her a chance now.
I believe that she truly hated being at Air America. So many conservatives now call into her show, many of them realizing that we were right. Her demeanor has totally changed. Well...not totally, but in the larger scheme of things and never better than it was before.

I hope others will chime in to give their take. She seems to be a new person. Must be the man in her life. ;)
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 12:13 PM
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27. i think it's the howard... i think she was lonely and sad before... and angry
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 02:39 PM
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50. Bingo
I can actually tolerate listening to her in medium doses now. The howard needs an effin medal.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:30 AM
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59. Nope, that bridge has been burned. n/t
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 07:16 AM
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8. This is the *PRIVATE INDUSTRY's* mess, let them clean it up
That sounds right wingish.

What if you said: This is the *PRIVATE INDUSTRY's* FIRE, let them clean it up.

What we want is for the government to be in charge of this mess, and BP a loyal employee of the government. Not the way it is where BP is king. We want government to put out this *FIRE* and do put it out quickly. Do you really have a problem with that liberal desire?
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 07:56 AM
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14. Did private industry create this mess? They sure did. How is that right-wingish?
When the wingnuts preach about personal responsibility--and now that corporations are deemed people, too, according to the corporatists on the Supreme Court--then THEY should be held accountable for the mess THEY made. They need to live by their own wingnut creed.

Now, go back and read what I wrote. We want the government to be in charge of the clean-up in as much as the government assumes responsibility for protecting its people and seeing to it that people and the wildlife aren't dying from pollutants.

But demanding that the GOVERNMENT clean up the mess and not the PRIVATE INDUSTRY that caused the mess is...well...not only silly...it is wrong and that's what the wingnuts want!!

Privatize the Profits. Socialize the Losses.

No, thank you! It's not government's job to clean up private mess. We're through with that. Government needs to be in charge of making sure it's cleaned up. But it doesn't need to do the cleaning. We don't have the resources for that.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 11:57 AM
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24. That seems insane to me. If BP doesn't do as it should then just try to figure out a bill?
Nobody wants to protect BP's money but that is a much lesser consideration than the gulf, it's life, and our citizens that live there.

What do they get charged for extinctions?

What's the value of the reefs and barrier islands that get wiped out?

How much goes on their tab for each dolphin and whale they zilch out and how is that determined?

How are they going to be accountable for decreased O2 levels and the damage and death that will create?

How do we recover costs beyond the worth of BP and it's board and shareholders?


No, our duty is to take any and every plausible step to stop, mitigate, and/or contain the harm and then make sure BP pays for every related cent down to Salazar's aides' lunches and the fuel for Air force One to fly in even if it wipes them out now and tomorrow.

This is a threat to our habitat, wildlife, many people's way of life, our economy, and very potentially our health that means that government has a duty to protect our interests and security that cannot and should not be abdicated for law, principle, or any other human principle. Further, if BP's abilities and resources are insufficient for the task then it is our government's role to marshal and direct those that can be raised to apply to the problem for the best effect to protect the general welfare. We can save the Gulf but BP is spent down is not an answer that will work.

It doesn't matter who fucked up when it endangers so much just that the harm is reduced as much as possible. We can hold BP culpable, liable, and accountable but responsible stretches logic too far for me. Uncle Sam needs to be in the catbird seat approving and directing BP's actions to ensure the interests of the nation are primary not this utterly irresponsible corporation.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #24
56. Wait a minute. Are you reading (and comprehending) what I'm writing?
We are saying the same thing!!

Government should spent one dime to clean up BP's mess.

I agree with that. Go and read what I wrote.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 02:48 PM
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51. Accountability
BP will be held accountable. But BP can not do as good of a job cleaning up the mess. BP has already proved they are inept and their foremost interest is protecting BP.

It is now up the the US to clean up this mess and BP will pay for it.

I guess you want the Coast Guard to withdraw? The National Guard too? FWS? Parks dept, should all back off and hope and pray BP gets around to it?

No, of course not. So really, it is all or nothing. Remove BP from management and send them the the bill.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #51
57. There you go again, making *false* and ridiculous assumptions
Edited on Wed May-26-10 08:11 PM by Liberal_Stalwart71
about where I stand. Go back and read. Where did I say or even suggest that the Coast Guard or National Guard withdraw? I didn't. It's not there.

You also will have to prove to me that government has the technical capacity and wherewith all to handle this clean up. Based on what I'm hearing from Chu, Salazar and others, it doesn't appear that anyone knows what to do.

Therefore, until BP figures out a way to do the clean up, to stop the runnage, we much be there to make sure they do.

But I think we're saying the same thing: The government shouldn't pay one RED cent for BP's mess.

The only thing that our taxpayers should go for is to pay for whichever agency, be it Army Corps of Engineers, NEPA, FEMA, or whoever, to assist in staving off the damage and ensuring that Americans/wildlife are safe and protected. The mess itself? That's BP's job and it must pay.

Still, no specifics are coming from the BIG mouth of James Carville or any of the president's detractors. You hear 'em real loudly, but they ain't saying nothing. And they have offered NO solutions.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 01:37 PM
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46. A government that fails to regulate private industry becomes liable for industry's fuck-ups. n/t
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 11:37 AM
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22. Ask us here in Syracuse how private industry cleans up their messes
Allied Chemical had a plant on Ononadaga Lake, they pumped crap into it for years. No one can swim in the lake or eat fish from the lake, it is one of the most polluted lakes in the US, if not the world. It has high levels of mercury in it, plus other lovely stuff. I've lived here for about 25 years, there has not been ANY attempt to clean up the lake, by Allied or by Honeywell who took over Allied in 1999.

zalinda
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tallahasseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 03:47 PM
Response to Reply #3
55. Now, now...
don't be getting all rational about this!

A definite +1.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 08:23 PM
Response to Reply #55
58. I know, I know. Silly me. n/t
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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 07:15 AM
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6. You left off the sarcasm tag!
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 07:15 AM
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7. im sure a dead ocean will feel better after looking at the links..
the corpses are applauding
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 07:26 AM
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10. A post yesterday
mentioned that your Department of Defence were effectively in control but it had not been publicised.
Yes - the absense of publicity extremely odd.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 11:18 AM
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20. Our future is in corporate hands
The markets will magically make it all better
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 11:47 AM
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23. Wrong
At present, there are untold numbers of oil tankers floating offshore, held there by speculators waiting for prices to rise. A "brilliant" president would be demanding that those tankers unload their cargo and head to the Gulf to begin pumping oil off the surface of the water.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 12:02 PM
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25. And how is he going to force them to offload?
Last I heard they all fly foreign flags. Only thing he could do is use the bully pulpit which I think he should do. But other than that do you want him to have the Navy seize them?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 12:12 PM
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26. He has many options, up to and including sending in the Navy
Obama has no problem violating sovereignty to send in predator drones to assassinate U.S. citizens. Why should bogus flags of convenience stop him when the entire ecosystem of the Gulf is dying?
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 12:17 PM
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29. Yah, hire Somali pirates to confiscate non-US ships in international waters

Thank you, Commodore Cuckoo.

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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 12:26 PM
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30. Your lack of imagination is an embarrassment
I'm typing on an iPad, so you'll pardon me if I don't expend the full effort necessary to educate you, but here are a few options that may alleviate the need for the Somali pirates. If you're still having trouble after I list them, see if you can find someone to explain Google to you.

Obama can:
+ Pressure the companies to release the tankers, including freezing their assets. This should have been used to secure BP's idle tankers already.
+ Pressure or bribe the foreign countries whose flags are on those tankers. A little financial aid to the right people should work wonders.
+ Pressure the financial institutions holding the markers on those oil futures,

The guy is the freaking President of the United States, facing a global ecological disaster. He needs to do something seemingly against his nature: act now and act boldly.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #26
38. AQ
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #23
28. are you really dumb enough to think they can pump oil out of water in the open ocean?
Edited on Wed May-26-10 12:23 PM by dionysus
without retrofitting the boats.

are you going to mention the "secret saudi spill" and mystery tech that we don't know exists?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 12:28 PM
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31. Are you really ignorant enough to not know that several engineers have proposed this publicly?
Yes. Yes you are.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 12:30 PM
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32. not that it can't be done, you act as if the equipment is RIGHT THERE READY TO GO
Edited on Wed May-26-10 12:31 PM by dionysus
you do realize it'd take time to retrofit those, and that's completely seperate from stopping the gusher, right?

i'm not against anything for the cleanup phase
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 12:34 PM
Response to Reply #32
33. What's the most important piece of equipment in this scheme?
Edited on Wed May-26-10 12:34 PM by jgraz
That would be oil tankers. Get them, offload them and start the retrofit. This disaster is going to last for months as it is -- we need to start enacting multiple remedies immediately,
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 12:35 PM
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35. i have no problem with that.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 12:34 PM
Response to Reply #23
34. Or more so, ordering the Navy to seize the ships and do it themselves.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 12:36 PM
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36. Most Americans would have absolutely no problem with this.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 12:58 PM
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37. Problem is, Obama doesn't get his marching orders from "most Americans"; they come from BP.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 01:12 PM
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41. Bingo
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #34
39. ...because US Naval personnel are trained in operating a supertanker

I understand it's part of basic training now.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #39
40. Please tell me you're being intentionally obtuse
Cuz I hate making fun of the truly handicapped.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 01:15 PM
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42. The average age of all persons on an aircraft carrier is just over 19 years old

An aircraft carrier is one of the most sophisticated systems made.

Yet, it is operated by a crew which is, on average, just a smidge above 19 years old.

The reason this works is because each member of that crew is specifically trained in what their job is and how to do it.

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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 01:21 PM
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43. You do realize that oil tankers are not uncrewed vessels, don't you?
Edited on Wed May-26-10 01:22 PM by jgraz
In what universe would navy personnel have to pilot the tankers?
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 01:28 PM
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44. Oh, okay, I didn't realize you were going to kidnap the crews of foreign vessels as well
Edited on Wed May-26-10 01:28 PM by jberryhill
Failure to "think big" on my part. Sorry.

Carry on, Admiral.

LMK when you are finished in the tub. I'd like to wash my hair.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 02:24 PM
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48. Oh FFS. I'm done trying to educate you.
Some people are beyond the reach of normal, adult conversation. Ta.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 01:29 PM
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45. Don't be deliberately stupid.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 02:25 PM
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49. I think he's proven conclusively that it's not deliberate.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 02:54 PM
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53. Brilliantly? Not exactly.
He has not managed the "stagecraft" well at all.

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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 03:38 PM
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54. Why doesn't Olbermann and Maddow, at minimum, mention any of this?
Because it doesn't fit with their populist "follow the crowd" anger meme. I'm not making fun at honest anger about this because it is completely justified. What is not justified is to rage about it, pretending that nothing is being done while ignoring the actual facts of what's being done. http://www.whitehouse.gov/deepwater-bp-oil-spill /

And what about big mouth lunatic Carville? He feels the need to go on TV to rage and claim that the government has a "hands off" policy, while admitting in the same breath that Obama can't really do anything to stop the leak. If James is so concerned, you'd think he'd at least be informed about what is actually happening, but nooooooooo.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/5/26/870060/-There-isnt-a-magic-wand-to-make-this-go-away

On the most important point, Carville himself concedes that President Obama can't plug the hole. But he offers two concrete proposals for what the administration could have done to aid cleanup, neither of which would actually do that much.

First, he embraces the idea advanced by the former CEO of Shell that we simply use oil tankers to skim oil off the surface. That sounds great, except when you remember that most of the freaking oil isn't on the surface.

Second, he says Obama should get the Army Corps of Engineers to cut the red tape and approve the plan by Plaquemines Parrish to build a 60-mile stretch of barrier islands to keep the oil out. Two problems: (1) even on an accelerated schedule, the islands will take at least six months to build and (2) doing it that quickly means that the first storm the comes along will wash them away, including the sand used to build them which is in short supply. So the sand barrier would take too long to build, and even if we do build it, it will was away.

On an emotional level, I have tremendous sympathy for what Carville is saying. Like him, I live in southeastern Louisiana, so this is happening in my backyard (though I've only just recently moved here). But he seems to believe that the President could just wave a magic wand and fix this problem and make the oil go away. Well, he can't. When you spill over one hundred million gallons of oil into the Gulf of Mexico (with millions more being added each day), there just aren't any easy solutions.


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