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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 03:55 PM
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Rand Paul against birthright citizenship (w/ video)

Wow. And talking to a Russian news station, no less. LOL

From Think Progress:

-snip-

We’re the only country I know of that allows people to come in illegally have a baby and then that baby becomes a citizen. And I think that should stop also.

Read more and see video:

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/05/28/paul-citizenship/



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LeftyAndProud60 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 04:00 PM
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1. Not all that crazy IMO. NT
Edited on Fri May-28-10 04:04 PM by LeftyAndProud60
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 04:05 PM
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2. His statement is FALSE

If I have a baby in Germany. The baby has dual citizenship. He claims that the U.S. is theonly country
he knows of... He's as dumb as Jessie James (the Sandra Bullock one). He's clearly a racist with a twisted
sense of reality and FACTS.
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asphalt.jungle Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 04:09 PM
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4. i'm not even close to defending his position, but i just want to point out
that he said "illegally". now i don't know germany's immigration policy (only about their bundesliga), so is your statement still true if you add "illegal" to it? i assumed most countries had our position where you're a citizen of the country you're born in regardless of who your parents are.
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 04:20 PM
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6. Many western european countries don't require check points anymore

So there is no legal, or illegal entry. If I visited France, say, and I was pregnant and had a baby there, I would be allowed
to follow whatever law the country has- whether it would be a dual citizenship, or if I had to declare one or the other
country...

Our constitution states that if a baby is born here, regardless of the parents country of citizenship, he/she can be
deemed a citizen of the United States.
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asphalt.jungle Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 04:38 PM
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7. i understand the european union, but that still doesn't answer my question
obviously a german can't be illegal in france because they have an EU passport. but what i wanted to know from you is would an illegal immigrant's (someone from outside the EU) child be automatically a native citizen of that country? if that's the case then there are other major countries that have similar policies to our constitutional requirements thus making him look foolish, but if those countries make distinctions regard legal immigration status, then he isn't wrong.
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 05:20 PM
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11. I entered France in 1994 where there was no check point

To answer your question: Note: I'm not an expert, but in many countries, the citizen of the baby depends on that countries laws.
And there are many countries where the baby either automatically becomes a citizen, a dual citizen, or you choose which country
to declare your infant a citizen of... If you give birth on an airplane, the country whose airspace you're in will affect your options.
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 07:06 PM
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13. BTW, there is no such thing as an EU passport

Maybe in another planet? An EU passport? Wow!!!!
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asphalt.jungle Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 11:28 PM
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14. i don't know if you're deliberately doing it
or not, but you're still not answering the question. i'm not talking about checkpoints. there is such a thing as ILLEGAL immigration in europe. they come from africa, asia and eastern europe (the countries that aren't apart of the EU) ALL the time. i simply wanted to know about the status of children of illegal immigrants, if it's similar to our policy or if it's different like rand is saying. we can't say he's wrong if we don't know how the children of ILLEGAL immigrants are viewed by the law in these countries.

and there may not be a single passport design for the entire EU, but the term "EU passport" is a part of the lingo in Europe and it refers to any passport from an EU country. and there is a basic passport design format that they follow: each member country has a burgundy passport that has the word EUROPEAN UNION on it in their language, country name and their coat of arms.
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county worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 11:54 PM
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15. The child is not here illegally!If it is, so are you because the child is just as much a citizen as
Edited on Fri May-28-10 11:58 PM by county worker
you. Maybe you'll get lucky and when that child gets to voting age he/she won't try to take your rights away! See we had another bunch of bigots back in the 1800's and the good people of this country did something about it. They made it so the objects of the bigotry we equals to the bigots! Good thinking right? Well today we've got a new class of bigots and they aren't going to get their way either!
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-10 12:48 AM
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16. actually, you are wrong.
Germany allows citizenship only by being born to German citizens, by being an ethnic German immigrant, or by a long (20+) year period of naturalization. People do not become German citizens by being born on German soil (just ask any of the Turks born in Germany who don't have German citizenship).

Canada and Mexico however, allow citizenship by jus soli, as do many South American countries.
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 04:08 PM
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3. Wow. You just edited/changed your entire post

You sided with him on this, then realized it would be hard to explain away?
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LeftyAndProud60 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 04:16 PM
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5. I didn't feel like arguing. But I understand what he's saying. Many people come here just to have a
kid. Then they end up on welfare and needing government help for yrs.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 04:42 PM
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8. Are you going to renounce your American citizenship?
Because you're an American citizen because you were born here.
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 05:14 PM
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10. Many intelligent people come here too and "have a kid"

and contribute to our society, but that's really not the point here.
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 07:03 PM
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12. Ignored liked your comments though

Buddies, huh?
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-10 01:22 PM
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17. That statement means: you are not a lefty, and you are certainly not proud to call yourself one
perhaps the 60 has some basis in reality.

:hi:
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 05:02 PM
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9. So much for the Constitution. Who needs that old thing!
:crazy:
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-10 01:51 PM
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18. I think RAND would look HOT in an SS Nazi Uniform!
I love a libertarian in a uniform.
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