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Gunny1 (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 12:41 PM Original message |
An ethical question for DU posters... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
1. Let's see, what WORKS? "Torture" has already PROVEN to be stupid, as it extracts FALSE leads |
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Gunny1 (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. I appreaciate the point of view but... |
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CJCRANE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:54 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. Who are the operatives |
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Gunny1 (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:06 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. I really don't know who they are. |
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CJCRANE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:17 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. That's the problem - they *believe* it's effective |
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Gunny1 (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:26 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Ok, that would help the argument I was having was over the practicality of torture. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 09:34 AM Response to Reply #6 |
50. baloney....NO EXPERT claims torture works...only RULING ELITE LIARS claimed it worked. |
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Avant Guardian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 01:31 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. They have to keep claiming that, even though all evidence says otherwise |
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Avant Guardian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 01:30 PM Response to Reply #6 |
51. True morality does not work with the GOP |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 08:27 PM Response to Reply #51 |
59. and they are not swayed by morality, either...the Bush family is as immoral and corrupt as possible, |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
2. I approve of the killing in the course of the assault on his compound. |
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Drale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
3. First Yes I approve of the mission against OBL |
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BobbyBoring (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 03:50 PM Response to Reply #3 |
43. I think assinatiion is the correct word, not a loaded one |
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CJCRANE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
4. Try to watch John McCain's speech against the use of torture... |
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Gunny1 (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Thanks, I'll check that out |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
5. With the understanding that we were and are at war with AQ, I have no problem |
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Gunny1 (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:13 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. This may be a good point. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:07 PM Response to Reply #9 |
21. Just a fun story from my life.... |
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Gunny1 (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:24 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. I like your point on use of language and wish we were able to agree on the meanings of words |
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yellerpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
8. Osama bin Laden was the criminal mastermind of a |
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Gunny1 (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:22 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. I think you're starting to get at something. |
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yellerpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. We kill animals that we may live. |
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Gunny1 (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:37 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. If my analogy is false then I lose it as a rhetorical point. |
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yellerpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:01 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. We are in a war against Al-Qaida whose head was |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
10. yes, the morality is messy |
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Gunny1 (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Thank you for at least recognizing the nature of my dilemma. |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-11 07:46 AM Response to Reply #13 |
62. I disagree, as I just posted downthread, but will repeat here. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
15. There's no dilemma for me. Bin Laden was killed because we're at war with him and he did not |
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Gunny1 (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:02 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. That's an interesting point... |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:15 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Not surrendering is the same as putting up resistance. He reportedly was going for one of his guns |
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Gunny1 (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:31 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Did he go for a gun? |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:36 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. He didn't surrender and he has said he'd never be taken alive. He was going for a gun |
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Gunny1 (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:47 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. No you misunderstand my point. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:49 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Thank you... |
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Wait Wut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
20. Two answers. |
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Gunny1 (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:11 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I appreciate the honesty of this answer. |
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Wait Wut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 03:30 PM Response to Reply #22 |
41. I'm no saint |
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Gunny1 (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 03:39 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Being in my mid-30s now I'm begining to lose it myself. |
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bluevoter4life (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
25. I'll throw my hat into the ring here |
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Gunny1 (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:41 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. Great second answer but I like to hear more about how you reconcile it with the first. |
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CJCRANE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:52 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Let's flip it round and look at it from another angle: |
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bluevoter4life (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:59 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. How's this :-) |
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Gunny1 (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 03:03 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. I like how you've put this but what's an LEO? |
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thelordofhell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 03:09 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Law Enforcement Official |
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bluevoter4life (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 03:09 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Law Enforcement Officer n/t |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
28. Two answers |
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Diamonique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 03:58 PM Response to Reply #28 |
45. Agree wholeheartedly! nt |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
32. Not sure if I approved of the assassination... |
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thelordofhell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
40. First=Yes Second=No |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
44. This is easy for me. |
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Mz Pip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
46. I have no problem with how it went down. |
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LatteLibertine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 06:08 PM Response to Original message |
47. If torture |
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Ramulux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 01:44 AM Response to Original message |
48. I dont support illegal assasinations or torture |
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Avant Guardian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. I don't think we went after him because we 'don't like' him |
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Ramulux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 03:18 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. What I said still stands |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 11:04 AM Response to Reply #54 |
68. The government that represents Pakistan signed an agreement with us that allowed us to do this |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 04:37 AM Response to Original message |
49. You should ask next time we have a Republican president. |
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MacNfries (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
55. Regarding OBL ... |
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saras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
56. Same thing, no, and no |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
57. First answer, yes. Second answer, No. Why? |
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SkyDaddy7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
58. It was not an ASSASSINATION & HELL NO! |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-11 03:54 AM Response to Original message |
60. YES approve of killing him ... NO to torture. nt |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-11 07:41 AM Response to Original message |
61. The moral question is VERY easy. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-11 09:19 AM Response to Reply #61 |
65. Where do you stand on a theoretical capture then kill? |
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Mr. Jefferson (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-11 08:36 AM Response to Original message |
63. Assassination...? |
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Sky Masterson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-11 08:59 AM Response to Original message |
64. Yes I support inserting lead slugs at a great velocity in to Bin Laden |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-11 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
66. I think your conservative "friend" is baiting you into a debate to try to distract.. |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
67. your use of the word "assasination" is questionable. |
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