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backwoodsbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 11:33 AM
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DON'T take Gingrich lightly
We all like to make fun of him but if he hit's a homerun with the base on a running mate he is dangerous.

He is gonna get the 25% koolaid drinking right wing right off the top.He will get the majority of the right leaning indies too,and he has the ability to sound articulate even when talking batshit crazy stuff which will pull in some centrists.

DON'T take this guy too lightly.With the right running mate he could be a threat.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 11:34 AM
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1. You are partly correct, but he will not be popular with the evangelicals
three wives AND he converted to Catholicism. That won't go over well in the South.
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greymattermom Donating Member (680 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 11:36 AM
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2. it worked in Kansas
The Christian fundies in the Kansas megachurchs supported Brownback
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 11:40 AM
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4. Brownback is a bona fide evangelical
unlike fakes like Gingrich and Karl Rove.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 12:48 PM
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13. He isn't a serial divorce like Gingrich
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 11:56 AM
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6. Keep in mind they only get upset when it is Democrats who
philander. Fundies just like all other Righties have
the best systm of Denial. David Frum explains it this
way and I believe he is correct. Fundies do not want
to hear about "weaknesses" in their candidates and project
their anger on to those making the charge. Republicans
want a winner, if they can find a winner, they will forgive
much.

I am not saying Gingrich is a winner. I am pointing out
how the Righties operate. Democrats devour their own.
Righties reward bad behavior, if the person is a winner.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 12:53 PM
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15. Also, as Fundies
they believe in redemption, unless of course you are a "liberal". In that case you are hopeless and hell-bent. Unlike their lord and savior, their charity and forgiveness are conditional.
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trueblue2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 12:00 PM
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8. this guy is a SLEAZOID. my sister is really religious and she doesn't like him at att
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 11:38 AM
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3. I hate ketchup.
:(
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 11:41 AM
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5. He is a joke, and CONservatives don't like him....
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 01:11 PM
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16. If he can get the nomination then better than 90% of Republicans will mindlessly vote for him.
They always fall in lockstep behind their nominee no matter who it is. And remember that many of McCain's' opponents in the 2012 primaries were to his right yet McCain got the nod anyway. Gingrich is probably plenty conservative enough to get the nomination if the GOP base thinks that he has a shot at beating Obama. That's what I think it will come down to. They hate Obama so much that ultimately whoever is seen as having the best shot at beating Obama will be nominated even it that is not the most right wing candidate available.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 11:57 AM
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7. Gotta get through the primary to pick a running mate
and Newt's hated enough by his own people that he's a long shot at best.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 12:01 PM
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9. He's disaster prone
Enjoy the show while it lasts.
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ReturnoftheDjedi Donating Member (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 12:14 PM
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10. this post made me laugh.
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 12:29 PM
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11. I think Newt is trying to position himself to be Veep
Especially for a would-be Palin nomination (which is looking decreasingly likely).

My take is that the serious contenders for the Presidency are going to be Huckabee (if he runs), Romney, Ron Paul, Mitch Daniels (if he runs), Christie (probably won't run)and maybe Huntsman (if he runs). I'll also give Bachmann a punchers chance for this reason: proximity to Iowa -- she'll play really well west of Des Moines. An early win could create momentum.

That leaves the Veep. The Veep will serve one of three roles for the GOP:

1) Solidify standing in a geographic area (e.g. Pawlenty/Gingrich)
2) Provide depth of experience or gravitas (e.g. Palin/Gingrich)
3) Provide standing with an element of the base that feels sleighted by the nominee (e.g. paring Daniels, who has called for a truce on social issues, with someone like Santorum or Huckabee, who has strong fundie credentials).

Gingrich, Santorum, and Bachmann all strike me as candidates who know they'll be out of the picture by South Carolina, but who want to keep their name out there for the bottom of the ticket.

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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 07:14 PM
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22. I'm with you.
I think he's jockeying to be the next Cheney.

He could be the hammer on the undercard, the real guider of policy, beloved by the greedhead wing of the GOP, while they run a (relatively) pretty, not-too-bright, "Godly" person on top for Prez.
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elfin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 12:39 PM
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12. As long as he keeps Huntsman out of it
Huntsman is on the hunt and the most formidable challenger to our President.

No one is really taking notice of him (except Time mag), but I do believe he is a real threat for many reasons.

Watching the other potential nominees flame out, leaving room for a "moderate" (how the MSM will frame him) as opposed to a male Sarah (Christie).

I say -- Go Newt.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 12:51 PM
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14. I can just see them lined up Newt, Trump, Miss Alaska, Bachmann and the boring one
perhaps they will eat their own and there will be nothing left?
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 01:51 PM
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17. He's incapable of firing anyone up. The man is passionless
Edited on Sat May-14-11 01:53 PM by lunatica
If you're as exciting as a wet noodle no one gives a shit. There's a reason why Palin and Backmann and Trump did well at first. They have passion and drive. Newt has nothing that even remotely looks interesting.
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 02:45 PM
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18. This is me, taking him lightly
So there.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 03:47 PM
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19. Oh really?
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wysingm Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 09:48 PM
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32. Priceless
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 04:34 PM
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20. Guy has never won a statewide race
He's a threat to no one but Mittens
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MacNfries Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 04:42 PM
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21. Guy that cheats on 2 wives has no ethics, no integrity
If the Republicans select this dirt-bag, I don't think he'll do anything but confirm to America the continued digression of this party. Republicans have entrenched themselves so deeply with big money corporations and super rich Americans, and now the Ryan plan has crashed & burned on the Repubs ... Newt only adds more baggage to an already party in distress. Relax!
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 07:26 PM
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23. *Looks long and hard at Newt*
Hmmmm..... Nope.
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Hawaii Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 07:40 PM
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24. Gingrich doesn't scare me at all - What DOES scare me is
republican governors in FL, MI, OH, WI coming up with all these voter suppression tactics to make it more difficult for minorites, poor people, & college students to vote...
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 11:07 AM
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29. Enlighten me. What tactics? n/t
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Hawaii Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 01:23 PM
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30. These tactics (someone had a recent thread on this)
Edited on Sun May-15-11 01:23 PM by Hawaii Hiker
http://theloop21.com/politics/warning-the-gop-already-rigging-the-2012-election


"In states like Wisconsin, Indiana, and Michigan, a full frontal assault on collective bargaining aims to weaken unions, the foot soldiers and piggy bank of the Democratic party. Wisconsin State Senate Leader Scott Fitzgerald (R-WI) let the cat out the bag himself, admitting on air that Governor Scott Walker's attempt to end collective bargaining was more about destroying the Democratic power base than balancing the state's budget.

"If we win this battle, and the money is not there under the auspices of the unions, certainly what you’re going to find is President Obama is going to have a much difficult, much more difficult time getting elected and winning the state of Wisconsin," Fitzgerald boasted".

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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 07:58 PM
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31. Oh. Gotcha. Just reading in today's paper about the
financial manager in Benton Harbor. Maddow covered this story recently. What pisses me off more than anything else is the people in Michigan VOTED FOR HIM, DEMS INCLUDED!! Now, they wanna scream "recall" after the legislature passes his tax cuts and increases!!
He has cut funding for education from K-Graduate school!! He is "hoping" by eliminating the business tax and transferring them to the citizens that jobs will be the result. Yeah right. I don't get this country. I just don't.
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AndiMer Donating Member (164 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 09:49 PM
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25. Don't worry! He's too fat to take lightly!
LOL!
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 10:21 AM
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26. Agreed. Those who take him lightly have a higher regard for republican
intelligence and honesty than I do. Republicans say one thing and do another without a bit of qualm. They can castigate Clinton for cheating, then cheer figgy despite his serial cheating. They can scream about deficits and support tax cuts at the same time. They are not bright and they are dishonest. figgy newton is their kind of man.
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center rising Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 10:32 AM
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27. Oh please, Newtie is a Republican nightmare.
His personal life is a wreck, he's prone to making monumental screw-ups, and his mouth is a disaster waiting to happen
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 10:53 AM
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28. Running Mate?
he won't make it that far.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 11:01 PM
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33. Newt is dangerous.
Racist voters do not care about his glorified white trash marital history. They are blockheads who don't care that Newt is a vassal for the Koch bros and the ultra-rich. His dogwhistles sound like music to the Neil Boortz fans.

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 04:00 AM
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34. no he's not. the base hates hates hates him.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 05:18 AM
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35. The man will not draw flies...he is harmless...he is MOOT
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 05:47 AM
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36. Gingrich has way too much baggage and has been out of office too long
He may cater to the right, but he can't swing back to get independents and conservative Dems. Gingrich also tends to have a big mouth. I think both Gingrich and Romney are fucked (pardon my French).


If you haven't seen this yet, please watch it. It is a stunning rebuke of Gingrich by two right wing pundits:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x583989
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 08:40 AM
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37. The "right running mate with the base" is an illusion. Ask John McCain.
Newtie cannot fix his problems as a candidate with the right running mate.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 01:40 PM
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38. Ask the 59,934,814 people who voted for McCain how wrong you are.
Obama won with turnout. The next race again will be determined by turnout. The GOP'rs will vote for a fence post if it has a "I hate's big gubbermint" sign hung on it.
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AndiMer Donating Member (164 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 04:57 PM
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39. Why not take him lightly?
Or better yet, not at all?
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 05:00 PM
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40. Any GOP candidate is guaranteed 25% from the Kool-Aid drinkers
He's not a threat, he's got too much skeletons in the closet.
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