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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 07:32 PM
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Can we put this one to rest? The U.S. government is NOT a buisness..
Donald the Trump came out and told us all what we already knew.. He is not running for President.

But even his hint at running got the old right wing .. get a businessman in there.. machine going again,

So this is a rant to and for anyone passing by who thinks that the United States government should be run like a buisness. Get over it!

There is no product for profit being produced by the government. Even the services provided are not a for profit operation.

The very last people who should be running for government are buisness people. They work in a completely different entity and style.

The people best equipped to deal with a government are those who deal with people. So what you really need is someone who knows how to advocate for people, to manipulate resources around that do the best for the most.

What you need is someone who has the experience and shows the abilities to oversee thousands of different programs while running a military.

You don't need someone who had met a payroll.... what you need is a community organizer on steroids.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 07:36 PM
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1. Exactly...
and the US isn't a dictatorship.

The Executive is just, at the very best, the first among equals.

when someone brings that up I say look at all the companies that have come and gone since the US was formed. The US government must be doing something right...
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 07:38 PM
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3. First among equals.. so true!
Can you imagine a buisness character thinking he was first among equals outside of the seer of Omaha
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 07:37 PM
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2. I've been singing this song for many many years
Thank you. :patriot:
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 07:39 PM
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4. Well time for a duet.. hopefully soon to be a full blown choir..
:hi:

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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 07:48 PM
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5. IMHO Government (at any level) is NOT a business
Edited on Tue May-17-11 07:49 PM by Proud Liberal Dem
nor should we ever want or expect it to be run like one (certainly not with the examples set by most Fortune 500 companies nowadays). If I live to see one thing, it would be the death (and burial) of this stupid, stupid idea/meme. :eyes: :puke:

In fact, government is necessary in a lot of cases BECAUSE businesses have a long and sordid history of running amok and harming people, children, the environment, etc.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 07:55 PM
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6. Just visioning toxic chemical spills that we have to organize and
clean up. Great point on that! Who in their right mind would want to have government run as a buisness..
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 07:59 PM
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7. Thank you
I keep telling people that all the time. Running a company is nothing like running a country.

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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 08:01 PM
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8. Maybe THE core dysfunctional myth of our time. Gov't must NOT be run like a business.
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Kdillard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 08:27 PM
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9. You hit the nail on the head and I don't understand how anyone can buy into that myth.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 08:29 PM
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10. Agree 10,000 percent n/t
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 05:43 AM
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11. There are some things you don't want
to be businesslike about. Sending people into space for instance. You really don't want to go lowest bidder or cut corners figuring only a few astronauts will die as a result (think cars here). You don't want you space craft maintenance outsourced to third world countries at $2.00 an hour. Even though it would save costs, it is just stupid.

Having the cheapest possible schools that might get the job done is not a good thing either.

There are plenty of places where being perhaps a little less cost efficient is a good thing.
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Avant Guardian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 01:03 PM
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12. Wasn't GW Bush supposedly our 'businessman' savior?
EOM
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Wait Wut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 01:44 PM
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13. I've been telling my boss this for almost 10 friggin years.
Would you mind stopping in and giving him your opinion? He's bummed that Trump dropped out and said that he'll now back any Republican unless there's a Libertarian running.

I asked him what company he would use as the model for running the country and gave him several choices. He walked away.
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R. P. McMurphy Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 01:50 PM
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14. I have been saying this for years also.
Having worked in the planning department of a local government I have seen too many businesses rush into projects and spend lots of time and money just to drop the project shortly thereafter when the obvious flaw in their scheme reared it's ugly head. Had they just spent a little more time in analysis they could have saved much time and money. Whenever anything would be said about slowing things down getting in the way of progress and communist would be flung about.

There are two things I used to tell the planning commission:

1) If the developer intends to make any money on the project it is the developer's responsibility to fund the cost of the project. Don't expect the taxpayers to have to fund site improvements now to get the developer to build or for the taxpayers to have to come in a few years later to correct a bad infrastructure design. Developer profits SHOULD NOT come as a result of taxpayer subsidy.

2) It is government's responsibility to SLOW THINGS DOWN. The private sector gets in a rush to do things that may not be in the long-term best interest of the citizens. It is local governments responsibility to make sure that we are making the right decision -- not the one that is immediately expedient to the business interest.

There is one other thing that I used to tell someone when they started yelling and called me a communist. With a straight face and sincere voice I'd always say "No, Im not a communist. I believe in private ownership of property but with strong government regulation so that means I'm a socialist." I got a lot of dumbfounded stares and no one ever had a comeback for that. :)

One last observation -- if we ran government like a business we wouldn't have any defecit. Business would have raised taxes long ago.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 04:43 PM
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15. A CEO Can Issue Orders and Things Get Done. No Questions Asked
A president needs the cooperation of congress and the constitutional approval from the SCOTUS to get anything done. IOW, you need someone with strong political skills.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 04:50 PM
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16. The government is there to protect us from corporations. Unfortunately, when
government is run by corporations, that doesn't seem to happen.

:mad:

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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 05:11 PM
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17. Waste, Fraud & Abuse
happens a lot in government activities. Medicare has this number over $100 Billion by some estimates. Larger corporationshave also some waste and smaller corp's have usually much less. I would prefer a president who has run a small/medium size outfit successfully. S(he) would have a better handle on how to improve efficiency in government.

Government is essentially a mechanism to get services at least possible cost to Treasury.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 06:08 PM
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19. The last "business" character we had in office put us in this untenable mess
we are dealing with..
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 06:16 PM
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21. Bush-43 was never a hands on "successful" executive anywhere
Edited on Wed May-18-11 06:20 PM by golfguru
and his efforts dabbling in corporate world can best be described as "dismal".

I was talking about CEO's who have proven record of success
in turning a failing corporation around, and or running one successfully.
For every one good CEO there are 5 bad ones in my observation & experience.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 05:35 PM
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18. It's 'business' not 'buisness'
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 06:10 PM
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20. Where the hell were you yesterday??
:) now I can't change it.. where were you when I needed you most!!!
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 12:05 AM
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22. If it WAS a business, it would have been OUT of business DECADES ago. n/t
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