Obama's fantasy world, re;Israel/Palestine

While I was listening to Obama make his speech yesterday, I kept thinking, boy it would be something if this actually could work. Then I snapped out of my funk I was in and reality set it. Obama's speech was pure fantasy. He knows his vision for Middle East peace has no shot. Israel is not going to go back to the 1967 borders, and Hamas isn't going to denounce terrorism, and recognize Israel's right to exist. Also all the right wing huffing and bloveating over Obama selling out Israel isn't going anywhere because nothing is going to happen.

All Obama did yesterday was to fan the flames on both sides of the issue, and gave Republicans an issue to bash him over the head with. In the end, nothing is going to happen, and the issue will be backburned with the economy again takes center stage with voters.

Israel is entirely dependent on us, and Palestine is too, indirectly. We've just never been all that serious.

Whether or not we are now, well, based on history, it seems unlikely. :/

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It was the first sensible thing the guy has said in years.

His mission is to hit RW hot buttons to gain listeners and advertisers... regardless of facts or reality.

that comes out of that asshole's mouth. No wonder your postings about Obama have been some what.

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George W. Bush supported the exact same policy on Israel-Palestinian relations?

Stop listening to wingnuttery.

It's centrism by definition.

I hope I'm not breaking any rules by stating this fact- self described centrists do agree with the far, radical right on many issues.

Your agreeing with Rush Limbaugh on a major issue is a case in point.

What do you think the goal should be and how would you go about it?

since he took office, which is to START a conversation about moving and solving the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

Obama is sending clear signals to the Israeli right that the gravy train is ending.

Setting the final borders at 1967 is less important than giving Netanyahu and the fundy settlers a wake up call. GTFO. Your position is untenable and every house you build there will be abandoned.

The truth about the Israeli-Palestinian situation is that there is no solution.

The settlers got out of Gaza. The West Bank is just the same problem on a larger scale.

One party or the other has to get out - but I don't think Israel has the will to expel all the Palestinians.

And I think if we were in Israel's shoes we would've done it already.

Muslims don't believe he'll help achieve that, and others see it as him selling out Israel. It's a no win. Speech seemed pointless, which is why I didn't watch it.

"Only bad will come from it."

Maybe, the administration has other plans.

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criticism and looking weak to the Arab world when you can't persuade Israel to do anything they don't want to do.

"Like all of the criticism and looking weak to the Arab world when you can't persuade Israel to do anything they don't want to do."

So the President should layout his foreign policy agenda for fear of criticism?

What does one thing have to do with the other? Specifically, how does "looking weak to the Arab world" impact budget negotiations?

something to talk about instead of talking about their economic proposals.

something to talk about instead of talking about their economic proposals."

I'm still not seeing the concern.

the Middle East Peace Quartet, which combines the European Union, United Nations and Russia
with the US expressed "strong support" for Mr Obama's plan.

This including German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Britain Foreign Minister and Arab League Chief
Ambassador Moussa are supporting this move by Obama.

That "Realist" mindset has worked just ducky so far.....

What's the definition of insanity, again????

...gets endlessly bitched at.

I for one am glad to see an American President stand up to Israel's right wing government a little bit. Their position isn't good for Israel's security and isn't good for middle eastern stability. President Obama did the right thing here.

The President actually said "The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states." This isn't really a change in American policy.

I fully support Obama and plan on voting and campaigning for him in 2012. As he said many times, we will not always agree with is choices. I understand that he wants to get the issue front and center in order to see if some progress can be made. Other events have overshadowed the Israeli/Palestinian dispute (the killing of Bin laden, the upraises in the Middle East and the US economic problems). I think this is one thing that should have shelved until after the election.

Right now, we are doing very little about what is going on in North Korea. I'd like to see the US step up to the plate and being more forceful about the repatriation of North Koreans from China.

with neither in control of Jerusalem, and I consider both to be equal in their terrorism.