Political Wire's 'interesting video': Bill Clinton Encourages Paul Ryan Backstage

Once again, I'm so-o-o glad Hillary isn't President. This type of exchange could easily be used to promote Ryan's plan amongst Democrats too stupid to know that Clinton is now a Ryan-toe-sucking sellout.

Is he trying to encourage Ryan to double down on his plan--which Ryan did today, or is it the old 'DLC' Bill in action? Personally, I find the exchange somewhat nauseating.

As I think about it, since leaving office Clinton doesn't seem to have taken any morally clear positions. You KNOW where Carter stands on things. Who the hell knows what Bill thinks? Who the hell knows why he's running around with Bush the Smarter? Sometimes I think the whole lot of them are CIA tools.

ryan is not selling out, unless he actually agreed with ryan's plan for Medicare, which I do not see that he did

The Democratic party has major problems with message, but it seems like the message the republicans are pushing is not going over too well

Bubba obviously wants to rein in Medicare and invited Ryan to call him if he ever wanted to talk about it.

I'm quite sure if that were the case with Pres. Obama, the outrage here would last for years and this OP would already be at 3000 recs.

Clinton trying to undermine Medicare with ryan, so I can only comment on what I read in the OP. In that quote I don't see where Clinton wants to rein in Medicare, I guess I missed it

As far as If President Obama talked to ryan, I would say the same thing, based on the text

Until I see exactly what Clinton said I cannot honestly evaluate what the outrage is

However, if Clinton actually did indicate he wants to rein in Medicare, then screw him

he knows Obama is on board the deficit bandwagon.

He's talking about liberal democrats in Congress who might balk at whatever deal Obama cuts.

Whereas Bubba is clearly sympathetic to Paul Ryan's plight. :puke:

:eyes:

Clinton could not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Leadership_Council

We -don't- need any more of his advice.

Given his race baiting behavior while campaigning for the South Carolina primary, this behavior is no surprise.

why should he like him?

You dislike the Clintons as much as I dislike Obama. It's a zero sum game. We will never agree on anything.

:shrug:

Research it if you don't believe me. Then I educated myself about the Clintons with material posted here that I had purposely ignored before. However, it was their behavior in the primaries that was the piece de resistance of my disdain for them.

:shrug:

Besides that was just a snippet of a conversation. Who knows what he really meant?

The "race card" callout was 100% right on. Whether obvious or thinly veiled, it's NOT a
liberal value to stick up for thay bullshit.

That's even bigger bullshit.

:shrug:

You obviously aren't fooling anyone here.

:shrug:

:shrug:

That's what.

their behavior during the primaries. And Bill left a shitload of problems for Obama to clean up. He and Dumbya!! Now he's licking Ryan's dick. He's despicable!! :puke::puke:

proudest experience of my life.

:7

her and like her a lot now. It's her husband who continues to do shit like this that I have a problem with.

Yeah, because the Obama campaign didn't play the race card to the hilt. No one could question him without being accused of racism.

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racist.

Right, Beacool?

:shrug:

:thumbsup:

:rofl:

It was a B.S. accusation then as much as it is now.

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full agreement. If the national Democratic Party leadership does not formally rebuke Clinton for this, I will never vote Dem again, nor ever work for or donate to any Dem candidate.

Color me outraged. I'm so fucking pissed. I will be calling Karen Bass (my Rep), Boxer and Feinstein tomorrow.

Imagining the phone call:

"You stick to your guns, Paul Ryan. Stay strong. You are doing the right thing. No matter what happens, don't give in."

LOL.

Kent Conrad, all the democratic deficit hawks. All glad I'm sure that the Democrat won, but all just as worried as Clinton that it might be seen as some kind of mandate against deficit hawkery.

---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o10lQUm5gKM

Yes I know this is a different Clinton but the suggestion that no way would "a" Clinton help the opposition certainly doesn't hold water.

as I noted here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=679645&mesg_id=679834

And yes, at the time Obama's political resume at the national level was as thin as a communion wafer.

:eyes:

And, yes, Pres. Obama lacked First Lady experience but she got her ass handed to her anyway. So, there's that.

Message from Hillary Clinton: http://www.hulu.com/watch/19689/saturday-night-live-message-from-hillary-clinton

I guess that they thought that he was a more "historical" first than she was.

:eyes:

;-)

He's gonna clap 'em on the back. He'll smile at their bullshit.

And when he strikes, you'll realize that the reason he was clapping you on the back was to find the soft sweet spot....

Just ask Newt.

knows how to play chess. Hi, Skinner.

Bill wants the pukers to continue pushing their vile policy, because it is vile policy and it will continue to be the brick around their necks, which we can then toss them in the river with.

of why many of us have been uneasy with him for a long time.

I'll admit that being old enough to remember the missing 18 minutes from the Nixon Watergate tapes has made me more than a little skeptical.

Through the bulk of this Clinton/Ryan video, the two are talking about the health care plan and about Congress going into paralysis. Absolutely no pausing in that portion of the video. During that entire dialogue, Clinton is on the left and Ryan on the right.

... then a break ...

Then Clinton's remark saying if you ever want to talk about "it", "give me a call". At the moment he made that comment, Ryan has moved a considerable distance, is on the other side of the column, was walking away, they've switched positions, and the audience is in mid-applause over something in the background.

Here are some possibilities:
Maybe they stood completely mute in the interim, and the reporter was running out of film so -- being the frugal type -- he turned off his camera. (Though, IMHO, the odds that Bill would stand mute for ANY amount of time is unlikely)
Maybe Ryan told Clinton that his wife, Janna, had suddenly started wearing pantsuits and Clinton was generously offering Ryan a shoulder to cry on.
Maybe the missing part was a discussion that referred back to the "paralysis" comment -- if anyone knows how frustrating it is to have a stalemate in Congress, it would be Bill Clinton.
Maybe y'all are right, and Bill Clinton had an epiphany and decided to tank his wife's career.

I, for one, am not willing to take a chopped up video and make any assumption about what a word like "it" refers to.

Case in Point: From the "important notice" in the footer of THIS page:

"... Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums ... represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC."

That's what it says. That's an exact quote.

Right?

That's not bad, you've gotta work with people (generally). It could mean anything, or nothing. Especially hard to tell with a chopped up video like that.

Sounds to me like BClinton threw Democrats en mass under the bus and further lends credence to the secret pact between BClinton and NGingrich to overhaul '"entitlements."



video of discussion of the pact: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfeD1mvQ1Po

edited for spelling

working class.

to keep digging that hole.

Leave it to Roger Ailes. Read all about it:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1180567&mesg_id=1180567

Thanks, Bill. :sarcasm:

but if this thread is any example, it must have been ugly. :-(

was astounding.

Welcome to DU!

This one has always considered the Clintons persona non grata.

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